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Re: The NBA bans customers from putting ‘freehongkong’ on customized league jerseys

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It won't change the minds of the millions of people in political power in China. Lots of Chinese feel quite strongly that the Taiwan/Tibet/Hong Kong claims are legitimate and that the international community is attacking China. I guess it would be like if the US was forced to cede Texas back to Mexico because they lost a war. Most Americans, regardless of political party, would hold the opinion that Texas is still Am…

How can anyone hold a political position in China and not hold those viewpoints? It’s illegal, in practice, to speak or take actions otherwise.

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It seems really random that the Chinese are so into NBA. What next, Greeks being really into American gangsta rap music?

It's spycraft, a way for US culture and influence to penetrate China. It's deliberate.

Spycraft is covert. Replacing the culture of a nation with one's own is imperialism. A couple centuries ago it used to be done by force. Now it's done via economic means.

It's interesting how China is turning the globalist policies of developed countries into power. The government bans a cartoon character due to memes and suddenly lots of huge companies start censoring themselves out of fear. The US may have freedom of speech but it doesn't matter if China is the bigger market.

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While I think your point is mostly valid and benign, Your impression of China seems outdated and tone might seem a bit arrogant to a native Chinese. Chinese people recognize the gap and appreciate the excellence in their daily life. The CCP rarely censored in the way you described(e.g. it never says China’s education/manufacturing is the best, instead they call out the remaining gap constantly). As a matter of fact,…

yes, seconded. China isn't North Korea or the USSR. Don't take for granted that the West is "better", at this point China is looking over and saying "prove it" Can you blame Chinese citizens for preferring the stability and prosperity of their own regime, when they have the current disarray of American democracy to compare to? Frankly I would argue that the Chinese have a much better understanding of the US than the…

Probably still looking up in quite a few fields(technology, education), but on society/core value aspect it’s been shaky

Re: The NBA bans customers from putting ‘freehongkong’ on customized league jerseys

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Here's another angle. The increasing censorship within China leaves less and less opportunity for the greater Chinese population to learn about the capabilities of other countries. A few examples of excellence that are still available to Chinese citizens are the NBA, Apple products, US education and Tesla cars. Most nations export excellence of some type to China. Having these examples in their hands or on their scre…

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This is why I'm not hot on big corporations virtue signalling to us consumers.

It seems that they all have moral, entanglements (to borrow Jada Pinkett's parlance), with China that they cannot seem to reconcile.

But they want to lecture us about important cause du jour?

Please! Spare me the self righteousness.

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yes, seconded. China isn't North Korea or the USSR. Don't take for granted that the West is "better", at this point China is looking over and saying "prove it" Can you blame Chinese citizens for preferring the stability and prosperity of their own regime, when they have the current disarray of American democracy to compare to? Frankly I would argue that the Chinese have a much better understanding of the US than the…

Probably still looking up in quite a few fields(technology, education), but on society/core value aspect it’s been shaky

you're right. I should have said "less and less so". In any case it's definitely trending down

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Here's another angle. The increasing censorship within China leaves less and less opportunity for the greater Chinese population to learn about the capabilities of other countries. A few examples of excellence that are still available to Chinese citizens are the NBA, Apple products, US education and Tesla cars. Most nations export excellence of some type to China. Having these examples in their hands or on their scre…

Your comment is about 15 years out of date. There isn’t much that is “excellent beyond what is available” in China anymore. This type of thinking is why western foreign policy continues to get China totally wrong. Chinese people who study abroad are more often confused by the things missing in the west than they are liberated in the way you describe, in my experience.

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China has a long history with basketball. It was one of few western sports that was explicitly kept during the Cultural Revolution. I've read that teamwork and communal nature of the game appealed to Chinese leadership. If you visit China, you'll see recreational basketball courts everywhere. There are courts by the airport, courts outside the Forbidden Palace, etc. Then with an NBA focused on expanding its internati…

> I've read that teamwork and communal nature of the game appealed to Chinese leadership. How is basketball different from almost any team sport in this regard?

Every school in China has a Basketball field. Not common for other team sports.

Edit: Japanese comic “slum dunk” has a huge cultural impact to those were born around 90s. NBA starts broadcasting to China around 95, Jordan, Iverson, Kobe became super idol since then. Not to mention Yao Ming. Also China team sports is pretty weak, only volleyball and basketball stands out(China’s soccer team suck, tell that to any Chinese and they will agree lol)

Re: The NBA bans customers from putting ‘freehongkong’ on customized league jerseys

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You know, people are absolutely free to buy the shirt and stencil on any sentiment or message they feel. Or is speech only meaningful if you added it to your shopping cart and it went through the pipes of commerce? Kind of exactly what people are upset about in the first place?

I wonder about this: while I don't agree with the idea, it seems legally questionable. If, hypothetically, the KKK got such a jersey and pasted racist slogans on it, the NBA could reasonably claim the people doing so were unjustly associating its brand with causes it didn't support. They would be using the NBA brand in a manner in which they had not received license to use it. I think the same thing applies here: whi…

> They would be using the NBA brand in a manner in which they had not received license to use it.

It’s a shirt. You’re not using the brand. The manufacturer of the shirt is. You have no licence. You own property. You can deface it however you see fit.

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Show a nipple?

There are plenty of nipples on cable TV (and the internet). What you can't do is broadcast a nipple on over the air TV.

There are many American cable TV channels that forbid nipples simply because advertisers forbid it. Exceptions to this, channels like HBO, are able to show nipples because they aren't beholden to advertisers.
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