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Poll: How much do you average per freelancing gig?

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Re: Poll: How much do you average per freelancing gig?

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It's actually not that hard to get good clients on Guru and the sites you mention. You just need to differentiate from that Russian kid on something other than price. Back in my eLance days, I charged $75/hour for my time and wrote good thoughtful proposals for jobs that sounded interesting. Those two things set me so far apart from the rest of the field that potential clients would essentially have two piles of prop…

Why not "charge" $90 per hour and then offer to "come down" to $75?

Why open the door to negotiation? If you're in a position to charge $75/hr with confidence, then charge $75/hour. With confidence.

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I hate to be Debbie Downer, but discussions like this where people post what they charge their customers can get dangerously close to violating price fixing laws, especially if the purpose is for sellers to get justification to raise their rates. Ford isn't allowed to call up GM and ask how much they're going to charge for a pickup truck next year, and if they do they aren't allowed to raise their launch price becaus…

Price fixing laws where? This is site caters to an international audience, dollars can be converted to any currency and we're not all part of one industry.

Re: Poll: How much do you average per freelancing gig?

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The high and low ends vary greatly. I've done little one hour wham-bam-thank-you-ma'am gigs and then I've done projects that run 4-6 months and bring in 5 figures. On average I'd say about $5000. The most I ever brought in on a single project was $24,000. BTW those projects were all done using the .NET Framework. Take THAT, Expensify!

Just trying to make sense of the data points here... Your username and the description of your one hour gig leads me to believe that your projects need more than just programming skills. Do you work in San Fernando valley?

I work in the Detroit area actually. The handful of one hour contract jobs I've done have been pure maintenance coding (i.e. bug fixes on existing applications, reports modifications, etc.)

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How do all of you guys find clients for web development jobs. I've heard that some of the freelancing sites are kind of cheap and I'm also worried that without design skills it would be difficult to create a decent web application.

My last two freelance jobs involved two freelancers: one developer and one designer (who might also be a front end developer). This allowed a considerable amount of parallelization, but it can get messy if the split between the workload is not well-defined. I've always been on the development end of the workload and finding work hasn't been hard so far.

Re: Poll: How much do you average per freelancing gig?

#156

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Why not "charge" $90 per hour and then offer to "come down" to $75?

Why open the door to negotiation? If you're in a position to charge $75/hr with confidence, then charge $75/hour. With confidence.

I think you missed my point. Charging "$90 per hour," some people will just give you that; that's obviously better for you. There will still be people who hope to get a discount, and now $75 seems like you're doing them a special favor.

Re: Poll: How much do you average per freelancing gig?

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This poll seems to be doin it rong. I couldn't put a single figure on it and say "I won't get out of bed for less than this" because so long as my hourly rate is satisfactory, I'll do 30 minutes work and bill someone for it. I work out my hourly rate like this: There are about 219 work days in a year after leave and entitlements. As a freelancer I'll probably stay billable 3/5 of those and on average I can hope for 6…

So long as your timesheeting, invoicing and accounting systems aren't drastically inefficient (ie. you can raise, issue and track an invoice in under 5 minutes)... What systems do you recommend? Excel spreadsheet for tracking + invoice template is really inefficient for me.

I wrote an invoicing system years ago that is still limping along (although I'm looking for a complete online accounting package that has a timesheeting API because ... )

I do all my timesheeting through an IRC bot which works really well. The bot reads tasks from my task system (I just create pages in my CMS and expose them through the API) so I type things like:

askl start client: job name

where client and job can be partial matches. When I make an entry it goes into the timesheet and I can either use that to generate my invoices directly (in the case of billable hours) or use it to offset a loss against a sales invocie (in the case of a fixed price quote).

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So long as your timesheeting, invoicing and accounting systems aren't drastically inefficient (ie. you can raise, issue and track an invoice in under 5 minutes)... What systems do you recommend? Excel spreadsheet for tracking + invoice template is really inefficient for me.

I wrote an invoicing system years ago that is still limping along (although I'm looking for a complete online accounting package that has a timesheeting API because ... ) I do all my timesheeting through an IRC bot which works really well. The bot reads tasks from my task system (I just create pages in my CMS and expose them through the API) so I type things like: askl start client: job name where client and job can…

Ah very interesting way of going about it :P Specifically the IRC bot. What's the rationale behind an IRC bot to read your task system?

Re: Poll: How much do you average per freelancing gig?

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post #157

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I wrote an invoicing system years ago that is still limping along (although I'm looking for a complete online accounting package that has a timesheeting API because ... ) I do all my timesheeting through an IRC bot which works really well. The bot reads tasks from my task system (I just create pages in my CMS and expose them through the API) so I type things like: askl start client: job name where client and job can…

Ah very interesting way of going about it :P Specifically the IRC bot. What's the rationale behind an IRC bot to read your task system?

Maybe I should do this as a blog post ... basically we use our own product, Decal CMS for managing our tasks. It exposes all your pages and data in an XML API. We have "tree" templates and "sprint" templates. A sprint page is added as the child of a tree page. You can timesheet against a tree, if you're doing some unplanned maintenance or something that just crops up, or you timesheet against a sprint if this is actually what you're supposed to be working on (this allows us, theoretically, to tell when a sprint is late because someone has been pulled in too many other directions, but in practice we don't have tools to report on this yet).

So the IRC bot reads from the task system so that you can just type like:

askl: start decal

in order to start working on decal if you're doing some unplanned support or maintenance work, or if you're helping someone else out with their work, basically this is seen as an interruption from what you're scheduled to do.

Otherwise you can do this:

askl start: decal: some release

to timesheet against a sprint (we block off time in google calendar to allocate work). Each "sprint page" has a structured xml component on it (this is like, Decal terminology that won't make sense until you try it - we should have a live demo ready in a few weeks so you can give us your email address by going here if you want to be told when that happens: http://www.decalcms.com/page/Try_it_Out).

This structured XML component is where we put the client name, dates for the sprint and costs basis (either fixed price or amount per hour). This information is then used to make entries in the timesheeting system so we can tell whether to mark time as billable (in the case of per hour) so that it will generate an invoice, or not in the case of a fixed price where I raise an invoice separately and then the profit made on that "sale" is offset by the "loss" made in the development hours.

All of this is very ad-hoc, strung together with duct tape and pixie dust and most of it works most of the time. The most important thing is that all our hours and work are logged, and that's how we work out leave entitlements at the end of the year.

ie. each person is expected to put in 6 billable hours per day for 219 work days per year. So at the end of the year we just sum the hours you worked, and whatever is left over is how much leave you get the following year.

Right. yeah. I should really do a blog post at some point about this :)

Re: Poll: How much do you average per freelancing gig?

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Just trying to make sense of the data points here... Your username and the description of your one hour gig leads me to believe that your projects need more than just programming skills. Do you work in San Fernando valley?

I work in the Detroit area actually. The handful of one hour contract jobs I've done have been pure maintenance coding (i.e. bug fixes on existing applications, reports modifications, etc.)

Thanks. Sorry, my whole comment was a juvenile joke implying pr0n industry. It fell flat.
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