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Re: The NBA bans customers from putting ‘freehongkong’ on customized league jerseys

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Post by whoevercares »

11thEarlOfMar wrote: post #83

Here's another angle. The increasing censorship within China leaves less and less opportunity for the greater Chinese population to learn about the capabilities of other countries. A few examples of excellence that are still available to Chinese citizens are the NBA, Apple products, US education and Tesla cars. Most nations export excellence of some type to China. Having these examples in their hands or on their scre…

While I think your point is mostly valid and benign, Your impression of China seems outdated and tone might seem a bit arrogant to a native Chinese. Chinese people recognize the gap and appreciate the excellence in their daily life. The CCP rarely censored in the way you described(e.g. it never says China’s education/manufacturing is the best, instead they call out the remaining gap constantly).

As a matter of fact, the biggest concern I have is the political climate in the US has done more harm than the CCP can even dream of with any propaganda. Overseas Chineses tell more and more story of how chaotic US is to their family in China and that spreads. Ten years ago it’s a no brainer to send you child to get US education but now many parents are reconsidering.

Re: The NBA bans customers from putting ‘freehongkong’ on customized league jerseys

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Post by pnw_hazor »

throwawaysea wrote: post #85
will_pseudonym wrote: post #42

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They're quite supportive of profitable activism. https://www.nba.com/article/2020/07/03/nba-union-approve-soc...

Wow that is worse than I expected. Why politicize sports, a respite from the rest of our lives? And the slogans are often dangerous - for example “group economics” is effectively calling for racial and political Balkanization via our economy (boycotting taken much further): https://atlantablackstar.com/2015/09/22/group-economics-key-... . When we all self organize to practice “group economics” based on our tribe, wha…

Marxists/critical theory adherents consider neutrality to be an obstacle because it interferes with their long march to communist utopia. In other words, neutral persons or neutral organizations are problematic.

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Post by cutemonster »

amznthrwaway wrote: post #17
bassman9000 wrote: post #15

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Which is why millionaire players and coaches are absolutely mute (or are muted) on any China issue, or claim that the issue is complicated . I think it's healthy to remind people, from time to time, how Hollywod (e.g. Tencent), the NBA, and other American institutions have sold themselves to CCP money.

I understand that many racists want it to be morally wrong to do business with China, but I don't believe it's that simple. Americans who've never even visited China feel free to moralize about how what Chinese people really want is a choice between two shitty parties, just how it is in America. But many Chinese look at America and think it's a terribly mismanaged country that used to be great, and is falling further…

The way you write, sounds as if you believe all people with white skin color are racists

Which seems a bit ironic

Although maybe that isn't what you actually believe. Maybe just how you happened to write

Re: The NBA bans customers from putting ‘freehongkong’ on customized league jerseys

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Post by whoevercares »

bpodgursky wrote: post #97
bigpumpkin wrote: post #93

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This claim is objectively false since Chinese people become more nationalistic after visiting western countries. The cognitive dissonance isn't that western countries are better than expected, it is that they are worse. Look no further than the political activities by Chinese students in western universities.

The Chinese students with the education and wealth to study abroad are already among the top 5% in China. Their families are wealthy and powerful to start with. It's not shocking that many of them see negatives to living in the west as compared to China (in the west, they are on a more level playing field with the "masses"). Their experience does not translate to the remaining 95% who work manual jobs, with highly fi…

For Urban Population I would argue the percentage is a bit higher. It’s not that uncommon for 3rd tier city children to go abroad nowadays.

If you are talking about the billions of rural area population, it’s a hard problem and I think they wouldn’t have the spare time to learn or think about democracy values until their lives get better. Their dream is still “get out of my village and find a spot in Tier-3/2/1 city”.

Its a bit “何不食肉糜” (let them eat cake) to Chinese people actually

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Post by creato »

mdreid wrote: post #58
reedwolf wrote: post #16

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It seems really random that the Chinese are so into NBA. What next, Greeks being really into American gangsta rap music?

China has a long history with basketball. It was one of few western sports that was explicitly kept during the Cultural Revolution. I've read that teamwork and communal nature of the game appealed to Chinese leadership. If you visit China, you'll see recreational basketball courts everywhere. There are courts by the airport, courts outside the Forbidden Palace, etc. Then with an NBA focused on expanding its internati…

> I've read that teamwork and communal nature of the game appealed to Chinese leadership.

How is basketball different from almost any team sport in this regard?

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Post by creato »

Symbiote wrote: post #91
bonestamp2 wrote: post #77

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I'm not disagreeing, but I also don't know what you mean. I'm trying to imagine something, say for example, Sony would have to prevent users from doing on their gaming platform that would otherwise cause millions of American Playstation fans to stop using their consoles. I tried to think of a sports league analogy, but I don't think there are any foreign sports leagues that are popular enough here to make a proper an…

Show a nipple?

There are plenty of nipples on cable TV (and the internet). What you can't do is broadcast a nipple on over the air TV.

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Post by bllguo »

whoevercares wrote: post #101
11thEarlOfMar wrote: post #83

Here's another angle. The increasing censorship within China leaves less and less opportunity for the greater Chinese population to learn about the capabilities of other countries. A few examples of excellence that are still available to Chinese citizens are the NBA, Apple products, US education and Tesla cars. Most nations export excellence of some type to China. Having these examples in their hands or on their scre…

While I think your point is mostly valid and benign, Your impression of China seems outdated and tone might seem a bit arrogant to a native Chinese. Chinese people recognize the gap and appreciate the excellence in their daily life. The CCP rarely censored in the way you described(e.g. it never says China’s education/manufacturing is the best, instead they call out the remaining gap constantly). As a matter of fact,…

yes, seconded. China isn't North Korea or the USSR. Don't take for granted that the West is "better", at this point China is looking over and saying "prove it"

Can you blame Chinese citizens for preferring the stability and prosperity of their own regime, when they have the current disarray of American democracy to compare to?

Frankly I would argue that the Chinese have a much better understanding of the US than the other way around. They study English, they are exposed to Western cultural exports (we're in a thread about the NBA, for instance), heck the general populace looked up to the US for a long time (not anymore)

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Post by theseadroid »

11thEarlOfMar wrote: post #83

Here's another angle. The increasing censorship within China leaves less and less opportunity for the greater Chinese population to learn about the capabilities of other countries. A few examples of excellence that are still available to Chinese citizens are the NBA, Apple products, US education and Tesla cars. Most nations export excellence of some type to China. Having these examples in their hands or on their scre…

>The increasing censorship within China leaves less and less opportunity for the greater Chinese population to learn about the capabilities of other countries. Most of my friends back in China, especially devs, use VPN daily. Many Chinese learn English via English media or TV shows. check this out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_English-s...

>The CCP news tells me how terrible the USA is, yet, these elements in my life are excellent beyond what is created by my own country. just not true. I was really shocked about the homeless situation in NA which was never really reported back in China.

and also from u/bpodgursky >the Chinese students with the education and wealth to study abroad are already among the top 5% in China. Not the case for most graduate students. Especially the ones received scholarships (such as me).

Please check your sources guys. Try learn a bit Mandarin if you could or at least talk to Chinese ppl living around you. China is sick yes. But imagine diagnosing the illness of a patient without looking or talking to them but only via a malicious translator.

Re: The NBA bans customers from putting ‘freehongkong’ on customized league jerseys

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Post by chongli »

bpodgursky wrote: post #97
bigpumpkin wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This claim is objectively false since Chinese people become more nationalistic after visiting western countries. The cognitive dissonance isn't that western countries are better than expected, it is that they are worse. Look no further than the political activities by Chinese students in western universities.

The Chinese students with the education and wealth to study abroad are already among the top 5% in China. Their families are wealthy and powerful to start with. It's not shocking that many of them see negatives to living in the west as compared to China (in the west, they are on a more level playing field with the "masses"). Their experience does not translate to the remaining 95% who work manual jobs, with highly fi…

From my experience there are two tiers of international student. There are the ones who emigrate in late middle school/early high school to get permanent residency before entering university (and thus paying domestic tuition) and those who come over right at the beginning of university. The latter category pay exorbitant tuition and, from what I’ve seen, drive fancy cars and wear luxury designer brands. These kids have more money than they know what to do with. Their parents are likely to be at least somewhat involved in the CCP and so it makes sense that they’d be unimpressed with their western peers.
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