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Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by Ijumfs »

ss3000 wrote: post #468
drewg123 wrote: post #18

This is the best youtube client, bar none. It keeps local history and "subscriptions" without requiring you to log in to google. I use it on an Amazon Fire Tablet. There seems to be no iOS equivalent, which is one of the things preventing me from upgrading to an iPad. Has anybody used it recently on AndroidTV / FireTV? I've tried it several times in the past, and its always been wonky there. I use SmartYouTubeTV ( ht…

> This is the best youtube client, bar none. It keeps local history and "subscriptions" without requiring you to log in to google. Isn't it funny how one man's feature is another man's bug? Not supporting logging in with a Google account to keep subscriptions and history synchronized across devices is exactly what disqualifies it from consideration for me, and I suspect I'm not alone here. For those like me there's Y…

Many people are trying to move away from Google and Youtube, the cross-device and cross-network tracking which this allows being deemed detrimental by more and more people.

There is also Bitchute and Hooktube, if you want to get at Youtube videos without using Google more than absolutely necessary.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by Ijumfs »

ehsankia wrote: post #563
cycloptic wrote: post #414

Earlier quoted context omitted.

PeerTube is not a company, it's an open source implementation of a peer-to-peer video sharing platform. Any person or company that wants to can pick it up and build a commercial platform on top of it. Whether that includes advertising or not is up to them.

Sure, but my point is that this doesn't answer my question. I wasn't asking which technology would the next company use. If Youtube used P2P, it still wouldn't solve many of the issue people have with Youtube.

It would solve all of them, because people would control their own video. Unless you're defining the "problem" Youtube solves as "Google gets revenue and then shares it back to some degree."

If Pewdiepie switched to Peertube, that would be a problem for Google. But probably not for Felix.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by herewulf »

ss3000 wrote: post #566
rex_lupi wrote: post #554

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vanced is just the normal youtube app with just some modifications to block ads and background playback. It is closed sourced, not to mention, and uses a modified version of MicroG that works in unknown ways to access/sync with the google account, which is very different to the original MicroG (which has been developed to replace Google Services from your phone to minimize google tracking your activities.) . If you d…

Yes the app itself is closed sourced, but FWIW their MicroG fork is not: https://github.com/YTVanced/VancedMicroG Their stance on why they can't open source it sounds reasonable: https://github.com/YTVanced/VancedWebsite/issues/10 But I agree that if you have sensitive data on your google account you should make a value judgement yourself on if the extra convenience/features on Vanced is worth the risk over NewPipe.…

Or create a Google account just for this purpose (YouTube).

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by bluedispatcher »

ss3000 wrote: post #566
rex_lupi wrote: post #554

Earlier quoted context omitted.

vanced is just the normal youtube app with just some modifications to block ads and background playback. It is closed sourced, not to mention, and uses a modified version of MicroG that works in unknown ways to access/sync with the google account, which is very different to the original MicroG (which has been developed to replace Google Services from your phone to minimize google tracking your activities.) . If you d…

Yes the app itself is closed sourced, but FWIW their MicroG fork is not: https://github.com/YTVanced/VancedMicroG Their stance on why they can't open source it sounds reasonable: https://github.com/YTVanced/VancedWebsite/issues/10 But I agree that if you have sensitive data on your google account you should make a value judgement yourself on if the extra convenience/features on Vanced is worth the risk over NewPipe.…

In case you care about these things you should be aware that Google can use your account to track you, assemble a profile on you and target you even if you don't explicitly hand them any data.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by bluedispatcher »

shripadk wrote: post #400
valvar wrote: post #286

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If I want to support a content creator, I do so by donating to them directly, not by allowing a massive and (in my personal opinion) evil company to profit both of my and their backs. Not to mention that both seeing ads and using the official YouTube app is quite unpleasant. I am very grateful to the developers of NewPipe for providing me with a painless way to experience the content produced by creators that I like,…

> If I want to support a content creator, I do so by donating to them directly, not by allowing a massive and (in my personal opinion) evil company to profit both of my and their backs. Not to mention that both seeing ads and using the official YouTube app is quite unpleasant. There is a big problem in your model. But before that let me address the reason why the current model is better. You are right that the interm…

You don't watch YouTube videos for free. You pay by relinquishing information to Google with the implicit understanding that they can monetize that information. If you are okay with that, or aren't fully aware of the implications then that's a different matter.

In any case there are people who have decided that such transactions ran against their own interests and prefer to pay content creators directly. Now if Google offered a platform to discover content creators, and if I trusted Google not to try to profile me, I would gladly pay a premium to access it. But that's not the case, so we rely on services like Invidious and NewPipe to access the content while remunerating the creators through different channels.

In the long term we hope that people are going to take the issue of privacy seriously enough to either cause Google to change its model or to at least cause creators to publish their content on privacy-friendly platforms.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by themacguffinman »

627467 wrote: post #589
themacguffinman wrote: post #580

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Creators have the right to set terms on the fruits of their labor. Your rights end where their rights begin. A restaurant's terms is their fee, YouTube and creators' terms are ads or Premium. I don't know why some people think they can just make up the right to do whatever they want with other people's work. You can do what you want on your computer, but not with their stuff. Easy solution: don't use YouTube, but app…

I am entitled not due to a sense of self entitlement, but because that's how the protocol for engagement on the web defines it: that's how tcp/ip works. I type in a url and my computer takes whatever bits the server sends my way. Platforms and creators have pletora of other protocols to use that suit the model you're suggesting.

We're not entitled to do everything we're capable of doing. I'm capable of cheating and stealing, the protocol of physics allows me to do so. I'm also capable of trespassing, a fence or door lock doesn't really stop me. My fellow citizens have a plethora of other protections like electric barbed wire fence and reinforced titanium locks or armed guards to suit the model of entry that they want.

But the model of entry is not my right to decide. I do not freely infringe on others' rights because my tools allow me to do so. I do not infringe of others' rights because other people have a plethora of alternative rights to choose from.

Content creators and YouTube have agreed to a set of (legal) terms of entry, as is their right: watch ads or pay for Premium. It is not your right to deny them simply because you are capable of it.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by ehsankia »

Ijumfs wrote: post #592
ehsankia wrote: post #563

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Sure, but my point is that this doesn't answer my question. I wasn't asking which technology would the next company use. If Youtube used P2P, it still wouldn't solve many of the issue people have with Youtube.

It would solve all of them, because people would control their own video. Unless you're defining the "problem" Youtube solves as "Google gets revenue and then shares it back to some degree." If Pewdiepie switched to Peertube, that would be a problem for Google. But probably not for Felix.

You don't have to look very far. This very thread is about an "ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client". How would P2P change anything about ads being shown?

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by ehsankia »

toastercat wrote: post #581
ehsankia wrote: post #563

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but my point is that this doesn't answer my question. I wasn't asking which technology would the next company use. If Youtube used P2P, it still wouldn't solve many of the issue people have with Youtube.

The assumption is: yes, the content creators who host their videos via P2P solutions like PeerTube would have to rely on external sources such as Patreon, or in-video sponsorships, or as another user pointed, use the built-in donations feature. > If Youtube used P2P, it still wouldn't solve many of the issue people have with Youtube. What issues in particular are you talking about and how would P2P fail to resolve th…

This very thread is about an ad-free client for Youtube. How would P2P change ads?

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by shoulderfake »

product50 wrote: post #263
slim wrote: post #160

I hope the developers are here. I'm so grateful for this app and especially the support : Everytime YouTube obfuscates their API to take them down, they quickly publish an updated app that works. please donate : https://newpipe.schabi.org/donate/

I hope you realize that apps like these kill the ecosystem for content creators who are paid based on ads. If you don't like YT ads, pay for the premium version. But suggesting that this app is great is not right. Anyways, I trust if this becomes big, YT will kill them anyways. YT API requires keys and they know exactly what is going on here and can shut it down in a heartbeat if they want to. This is exactly what ha…

Fuck youtube. The content creators also know ppl use adblock, yet they're still producing content arent they ?

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by zbrozek »

harshitaneja wrote: post #535
zbrozek wrote: post #363

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I think this app caters to a different set of needs. Personally I find the official YouTube app noisy and pushy and offensive. Autoplay and PIP are anti-features I want to avoid. Recommendations are also unwanted. This alternative looks great to me, on paper at least. I'll give it a go.

Autoplay and PIP can be turned off in settings. PIP is one of the reasons I got premium initially but the ad free experience on all devices is what made me stay.

Defaults matter. I have a lot of devices and I can't be bothered to make every app less awful on every one of them every few months. It's far easier to opt out of the app entirely.
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