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Tired of note-taking apps

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Re: Tired of note-taking apps

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> It’s not because of limited choices. But it’s the other way around. There are so many note-taking apps you could try but end up sticking to none. At least, that’s my story. It’s a perfect example of the paradox of choice.

Either this is not a good example of the paradox of choice, or as I am more inclined to believe, the paradox of choice is mostly bunk.

While I don't discount that some consumers may be frustrated at times by an abundance of choice and may naively think their life would be better with fewer choices, I don't think reality would bear that out. Maybe easier in the moment of the choice, but less satisfactory in the experience of the outcome of that choice. I know my life would be measurably less enjoyable with fewer choices in all walks of life: fewer food options, fewer cities and towns to live in, fewer computer manufacturers, and yes, fewer note-taking apps. Fewer apps would not make the apps better. It would only remove some of the options that are satisfying niche needs for other people. It's a bit elitist to say there should be fewer of any category, because it implies that the subtlety of preference felt by others is unimportant.

Choice is the consumer side of the innovation process. If anything, the non-satisfaction with note-taking applications shows that more exploration, more innovation, and yes, more choices are in fact needed. Technology still has a ways to go before we have a robust approximation of the free-flowing paper and pencil note-taking, augmented seamlessly by the computer. We see where we're heading with things like OneNote, but we're still generations of innovation away.

Re: Tired of note-taking apps

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post #128

Funnily enough, I don’t think there is a really good one. There’s lots that almost do it but not quite. - Evernote: no note linking - Bear: lovely but no web or android version - OneNote: appalling in the way only MS can be - SimpleNotes: too simple - Zoho: too ...urgh - Keep: too Googley - Apple notes: too Appley - Standard Notes: too buggy I’m clearly a fussy sod. But really, just a nice, oss, local files, ability…

Have you tried [Joplin](https://joplinapp.org/)?

It's FOSS, works on local files, has encryption and supports note linking.

It also has apps for several platforms.

Re: Tired of note-taking apps

#193
post #128

Funnily enough, I don’t think there is a really good one. There’s lots that almost do it but not quite. - Evernote: no note linking - Bear: lovely but no web or android version - OneNote: appalling in the way only MS can be - SimpleNotes: too simple - Zoho: too ...urgh - Keep: too Googley - Apple notes: too Appley - Standard Notes: too buggy I’m clearly a fussy sod. But really, just a nice, oss, local files, ability…

I see you didn't mention Markdown. My solution for the last couple of years to this problem is to have all my notes organized into folder and .md files. A couple of advantages: - I can move around different IDEs/apps since there are a lot of different solutions for every platform there. - Same goes for search and links between folders. Rely on git for version control of the files themselves. - It gives you the flexibility of using plugins to turn into PDF or host as a gitbook private site for example.

Knowledge base organization gets discussed frequently on HN. I understand your frustration though, I've always longed to see a one fit for all platforms though. Onenote sure shows a lot of potential but is probably limited by the fact that MS wants to keep it as close to their office suite as possible.

Re: Tired of note-taking apps

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post #168

It’s fashionable to say that the best note taking system is pen&paper, but I think it ends up being a disservice to the idea of registering knowledge. I think written and digital have completely different pros and cons. I love to physically write things down on a moleskine, but I decided to not storage knowledge there, I just dump things from my short term memory to act upon them in the short term. I tried storing kn…

I'm familiar with this conundrum. I've been taking notes, managing tasks and appointments on paper since 2015; before that I took most notes in Emacs org-mode and managed some tasks there, and some in OmniFocus. Lack of search is a definite disadvantage of handwritten notes. Here's what I've done to blunt that: (1) Every notebook begins with a few pages for a table of contents. (2) When a notebook is full, I scan it…

There are "smart notebooks" that make it relatively easy to send your handwritten notes to the cloud. The problem is that, at least when I checked a couple of years ago, they had no OCR, and only uploaded images to which you could attach a name, so they are not especially helpful when it comes to search.

I hope in a few years, with good OCR, they will be a good solution for those of us stuck in this dilemma.

Re: Tired of note-taking apps

#195
Just another opinion on the balanced note taking method:

I think org-mode solves almost all offline note-taking requirements

* org-roam makes it super-easy to link notes

* emacs as an editor is as usable as any other editor

* Rich media is possible and easy to do in org-mode. Attach a snapshot, embed a video file

* Code with documentation is a feature not available in most other note taking methods/apps. It's possible to run code snippets and add comments, documentation about them in the same space

* Latex support is advanced. Inline equations work seamlessly

* Search support is advanced

Drawbacks:

* One of the main drawbacks is that all your notes end up offline. This was a deal-breaker for me. ox-hugo helps in publishing your notes to a (private) static site where it can be searched, viewed but not edited on the fly

* Publishing through ox-hugo is separate from maintaining a backup/sync of your notes in /org/ format. You'll have to do this separately through Dropbox/GDrive/etc

* A backup of your org notes is not usable until you set up your emacs environment and download all your notes

Re: Tired of note-taking apps

#196
I recommend not taking notes usually. Unless you're in a class or lecture, I'm not sure I see why you're taking notes. If you're learning a new technology you should be documenting that for use as you go. If you're writing code you should be adding notes to your code and readme. If you're troubleshooting, the details should be in the ticket. I'm not against note taking by any measure, but I don't see the function of it in a day to day workflow.

Re: Tired of note-taking apps

#197

Simplenote for the win. Used it for 4 years, absolutely no fuzz. https://simplenote.com/

I used it for a long time - really liked how no frills it is, but the fact that notes aren't stored encrypted in the cloud (by design) was a deal-breaker for me in the end. I use the notes as a brain backup and they're absolutely unfiltered thoughts, which need to be stored securely. In the end I switched to standard notes, which has functioned perfectly well for me since then (a bit over a year I think).

Re: Tired of note-taking apps

#198

Personally I find Apple Notes the most convenient for quick jotting down of ideas etc. It’s not the most advanced in terms of features but it loads instantly, is quick to use and is available on all of my devices. Have tried numerous alternatives but they’ve never stuck e.g. they’re slow to start up or are fussy to use or don’t work well on one platform. For deeper sketching out of ideas, diagrams etc I really like C…

I agree - choosing a tool that makes jotting stuff down most convenient is key.

I believe that there hasn't been enough innovation in the jot-down phase of notes. Most people use Apple Notes, Google Keep, or raw text files. They're convenient for jot-down. But painful when it comes to organizing.

Notes are easier to organize when they're modular. You can add modularity, without losing convenience or speed, by writing notes like you're messaging yourself.

Fast jot-down + easy to organize in small steps = more likely to stick with it.

(I'm one of the creators of the modular, messaging-like notes tool bytebase.io)

Re: Tired of note-taking apps

#199
Note taking apps are stuck in a place similar to where "chat" apps are stuck.

Competition between "chat" applications is driven by network effects. You don't choose Zoom because it is the best, you choose it because somebody else chose it for you. The overwhelming pattern is "CUSeeMe used to be good but now we use PalTalk, "Skype used to be good, but now everybody uses WebEx", or "WebEx used to be good and now everybody uses Zoom", or "AOL Instant Messenger used to be good and now everybody uses Facebook Messenger". Despite a large advance in the underlying technology, the functionality of these applications doesn't seem much better.

I worked at a startup where one of our problems was finding documents in the 20 different cloud services we might put documents. The usual answer people had was to add a new cloud service, but that means you now have 21 places a document might be and it is astonishing how far people will go down this road without any insight into how it is an obvious dead end.

The obvious way out is to build some system that sucks in content from places, a "note finding" app or "note organizing" app instead of a "note taking".

What astonishes me is that so few people are working on that or even believe that it is possible. Two factors are that

(1) People are intimidated by full text search. First people think "you can't beat Google" and second if you look at Google you see Google is not very good. That's depressing. The first four volumes of TREC are depressing because people try all the obvious things that should improve relevance. (in the 5th volume they discover BM25, which nobody to this day since they don't work to do the work to tune two numeric parameters to the data set) Ask people how to make a scalable full text engine and they say "Solr" and I say "are you kidding?" OpenText and ten thousand imitators will boast about the hundreds of connectors they have to the most enterprise-y data sources, but they will say very little about relevance, in fact if they participated in TREC they did it as an advertisement, not because they saw accuracy tuning as a competitive differentiator. A breakthrough is possible, but nobody believes it.

(2) The "app economy" itself is dependent on lock-in. If there was "one ring to bind them all" in terms of the document spaces a person uses, that's an existential threat to all of the programs that want you to keep using them. So once you get some traction in this area you are going to see frantic measures taken quickly to cut off access -- like what happened with the Twitter API when they put all the alternative clients out of business.

Re: Tired of note-taking apps

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post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I learned that a while ago and settled on notepad++ to organize my daily work. Every new tab opens and without needing to be saved is persisted even if computer restarts. That is a perfect scratchpad for ideas. What I want to keep gets named and is then classified. For is no longer useful the tab gets closed and not saved. Notepad++ allows for searching all documents within folders as well. Another great option is mo…

I absolutely love notepad++; for many reaosns including but not limited to: beinglightweight, fast, quite featureful even before resorting to the many plugins, etc. The only downside is it is for windows only. For my dayjob i'm forced to use windows, so can enjoy notepad++ for everything (from dev. to basic notetaking, to journaling)...but all my personal machines run linx OS...so no notepad++. I love the choice of n…

VSCode can support most any plaintext workflow, as long as you're ok with the electron overhead.
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