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Re: Windows on Raspberry

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Post by asveikau » Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 2:29 PM UTC

jfkebwjsbx wrote: post #79

asveikau wrote: post #48

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Win32 is a C API. You don't need to emulate x86 for it. It's a recompile. Microsoft botched this circa 2012 by only allowing store apps for the RT tablet but I think they reversed this. It was always a product decision rather than a technical one, though. (I don't know why exactly, but they didn't want to let people recompile old software.)

It is a C API but a lot of code make assumptions about how things are laid out, which need fixing. There is also a lot of software for which the source is not available anymore.

I disagree that the first point is major. amd64 has been a thing for a long time. Compilers and kernel implementations have also changed, so x86 windows has been a moving target as well. Will people need to test and possibly debug after their recompile? Sure. Will a lot of such code work fine on the first try? Also yes.

Re: Windows on Raspberry

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Post by nix23 » Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 3:49 PM UTC

Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #90

nix23 wrote: post #77

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>desktop environments Well it's a smartphone screen not a desktop, but here you go: https://www.notebookcheck.net/PinePhone-Convergence-Package-... https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/User-Interfaces

Sorry, I meant smartphone interface like Plasma mobile, Phosh, Lomri for Raspberry Pi; Desktop environment terminology as with Linux on desktops could be wrong. Right now, you can use traditional desktop environment like LXDE/MATE with PostmarketOS on Raspberry Pi but I don't think there's a working smartphone interface for RPi with the projects you've linked[1]. Furthermore, Convergence feature of UBPorts (Ubuntu To…

Why should that not work?

https://www.plasma-mobile.org/

The Pinephone has postmarketos preinstalled and has convergence:

https://store.pine64.org/product/pinephone-community-edition...

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/07/pine64-launches-post...

Re: Windows on Raspberry

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Post by rjsw » Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 5:18 PM UTC

theK wrote: post #61

ThrowawayB7 wrote: post #50

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To add to the list of people pointing out that you're mistaken, I'll add that Windows CE was used in Ford's first and second generation Sync vehicle infotainment systems. It was also the basis for one of the two SDKs for the Sega Dreamcast.

I find it interesting that so many people point out that some sort of Windows OS WAS used by vendor A, B, or C. Yes, a lot of enterprises tried Windows in embedded use cases in the past. Presumably companies will keep trying it from time to time in the future too. But the fact of the matter is that, as the usecases nature vendors migrate to Linux. Also, saying that there were multiple parties trying to use Windows do…

There was a specific Embedded Windows product, it wasn't just a matter of vendors configuring the desktop version.

Re: Windows on Raspberry

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Post by detaro » Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 5:20 PM UTC

theK wrote: post #61

ThrowawayB7 wrote: post #50

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To add to the list of people pointing out that you're mistaken, I'll add that Windows CE was used in Ford's first and second generation Sync vehicle infotainment systems. It was also the basis for one of the two SDKs for the Sega Dreamcast.

I find it interesting that so many people point out that some sort of Windows OS WAS used by vendor A, B, or C. Yes, a lot of enterprises tried Windows in embedded use cases in the past. Presumably companies will keep trying it from time to time in the future too. But the fact of the matter is that, as the usecases nature vendors migrate to Linux. Also, saying that there were multiple parties trying to use Windows do…

How are other examples not a valid counterpoint to the claim that it was "mostly Windows CE palmtops"? They don't claim that it is still overly popular or not being replaced.

Re: Windows on Raspberry

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Post by techntoke » Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 11:25 PM UTC

nix23 wrote: post #89

techntoke wrote: post #88

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I already run Sway on an old laptop. It is faster than my modern Windows gaming PC for most tasks and apps.

Yes it's definitly snappy'er than X11 but i had some problems with hanging/blank windows last time i use'd it.

Yeah, had some issues too but everything seems resolved in the latest 1.5 update.

Re: Windows on Raspberry

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Post by nix23 » Mon, Jul 20, 2020, 8:49 AM UTC

techntoke wrote: post #95

nix23 wrote: post #89

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Yes it's definitly snappy'er than X11 but i had some problems with hanging/blank windows last time i use'd it.

Yeah, had some issues too but everything seems resolved in the latest 1.5 update.

Thanks have to re-evaluate it then.

Re: Windows on Raspberry

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Post by TheRealPomax » Mon, Jul 20, 2020, 3:58 PM UTC

1996 wrote: post #43

TheRealPomax wrote: post #41

Very cool, although a win10 minipc would probably make far more sense for people who specifically need a tiny windows 10 computer, especially as they basically cost less than what a copy of windows 10 pro costs. (A fully functional fanless atom x5-Z8350, 4GB ram, 64GB flash, Win10 pro x64 Mini-PC will set you back $139. A copy of Windows 10 pro x64 is $168...) And I know, some folks might say "why not a lattepanda?"…

> A copy of Windows 10 pro x64 is $168... Cheaper on ebay. First sale doctrine covers you.

Until you discover it's an illegally sold volume license copy and the volume license gets voided. Fun times, fun times.

Re: Windows on Raspberry

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Post by TheRealPomax » Mon, Jul 20, 2020, 4:00 PM UTC

vardump wrote: post #82

TheRealPomax wrote: post #41

Very cool, although a win10 minipc would probably make far more sense for people who specifically need a tiny windows 10 computer, especially as they basically cost less than what a copy of windows 10 pro costs. (A fully functional fanless atom x5-Z8350, 4GB ram, 64GB flash, Win10 pro x64 Mini-PC will set you back $139. A copy of Windows 10 pro x64 is $168...) And I know, some folks might say "why not a lattepanda?"…

> Sure, you don't get GPIO pins on a minipc, but given that you can just buy a $10 data acquisition module that connects via USB, and that you can talk to using UART... that's hardly a problem? Bandwidth for USB GPIO: 8 kHz if you're lucky and there are no other devices on the same controller. Bandwidth for the direct GPIO: up to tens of MHz.

So, not exactly a problem for anyone who wants to use a raspi but also windows? If you need MHz of GPIO speed, you're basically in arduino land now, and raspi+win or a minipc+win doesn't make a whole lot of sense. But hey, you can you also just connect an arduino to the minipc and get the best of both worlds.

Re: Windows on Raspberry

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 » Mon, Jul 20, 2020, 8:21 PM UTC

rimjongun wrote: post #60

jeroenhd wrote: post #12

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There's a reason for that, macOS loads a specific fan curve that prefers silence over performance, only kicking in a the last moment before the CPU overheats. This focus on silence also costs them in performance, but as long as the laptop is fast enough for most people, the raw performance probably doesn't matter to them. Windows doesn't about the thermal limits Apple put into place in their devices, so just treats i…

This sounds completely made up. If you have more info than pure conjecture, please share. I would wager the sensor drivers for Windows were written by apple.

https://www.engadget.com/2018-07-19-macbook-pro-i9-performan...

"If it chooses to, Apple could resolve or mitigate the issue with a firmware update that kicks in the fans sooner"

Stuff like this is why I keep saying that Apple is a fashion company, not a tech company. Or more accurately, they're a company that makes technology fashionable.

But apparently fan noise isn't fashionable, so they try to eliminate it, even if it comes at the cost of performance in what is supposed to be a performance-oriented configuration.

Re: Windows on Raspberry

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 » Mon, Jul 20, 2020, 8:40 PM UTC

TheRealPomax wrote: post #97

1996 wrote: post #43

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> A copy of Windows 10 pro x64 is $168... Cheaper on ebay. First sale doctrine covers you.

Until you discover it's an illegally sold volume license copy and the volume license gets voided. Fun times, fun times.

Does this still happen?

I bought my Win10 Pro key from a grey market site for like $10, so I figure it's likely an illegally sold volume license copy. Yeah, I totally acknowledge that it could get voided, but I know several other people who have bought their Windows key from these types of sites, and none have ever had a problem.