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The event that eventually led to Newton writing and publishing the Principia

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Re: The event that eventually led to Newton writing and publishing the Principia

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> In England around 1650 coffee houses became the favourite meeting places of the English scientific intelligentsia, the astronomers, mathematicians and natural philosophers. Here, these savants would meet up to exchange ideas, discuss the latest scientific theories and pose challenges to each other. Why don't we have coffee houses like this today? I'd go. You could argue that the web is the modern-day version of thi…

Hacker spaces such as SF’s Noisebridge can be like this.

Re: The event that eventually led to Newton writing and publishing the Principia

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> Why don't we have coffee houses like this today? I'd go. You could argue that the web is the modern-day version of this No, I disagree. The web is not a replacement for normal social interaction. Zoom is not a replacement for in person meetings. The web does not replace an actual coffee shop, and social media or email does not replace a phone call. Unfortunately, our newest adult generation will never understand wh…

That's just nostalgia, electronic communication is in many ways better than face to face, even if it is worse in others. Electronic communication allows you to communicate with the specialist in your field, located in the other side of the world. It is constantly available thanks to smartphones. If you have a great idea, you can share it immediately, if your phone is waterproof, you don't even need to leave your show…

I understand your point, even if I do disagree somewhat. While the freedom to interact in ways that are not electronic is still an option, it is such a tiny fraction of the choices most people make when communicating, that the presence of this option almost seems irrelevant.

Re: The event that eventually led to Newton writing and publishing the Principia

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Fascinating, I didn’t realize Newton was into his 40s before he made any specific contributions that led to his larger widespread influence. I just assumed that, like most of the greatest scientists in history, he was in his 20s when he changed the world.

He was ~ 23 years old in 1666 when he published on calculus, the dynamics of moving bodies, inverse-square universal gravitation, and optics (prisms).

He worked on some of those things in 1666 but did not publish anything. That is kind of the point of the article. Newton had a lot of reluctance around publication; he did not follow modern norms.

Re: The event that eventually led to Newton writing and publishing the Principia

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

He was ~ 23 years old in 1666 when he published on calculus, the dynamics of moving bodies, inverse-square universal gravitation, and optics (prisms).

He worked on some of those things in 1666 but did not publish anything. That is kind of the point of the article. Newton had a lot of reluctance around publication; he did not follow modern norms.

I wonder how much of those things he actually figured out in his 20s and just did not publish, versus thinking about them without drawing many conclusions or making significant progress until he actually published 20 years later?

Re: The event that eventually led to Newton writing and publishing the Principia

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> In England around 1650 coffee houses became the favourite meeting places of the English scientific intelligentsia, the astronomers, mathematicians and natural philosophers. Here, these savants would meet up to exchange ideas, discuss the latest scientific theories and pose challenges to each other. Why don't we have coffee houses like this today? I'd go. You could argue that the web is the modern-day version of thi…

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Re: The event that eventually led to Newton writing and publishing the Principia

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1/3 of London burned down in 1666. It was right at the end of the great plague of London. Wren and Hooke were put in charge of rebuilding the city. Hooke was the "techie" who could actually engineer and build many of the experiments in the Royal Society. As founding member, he was made "chief curator", responsible for producing the empirical demonstrations.

> 1/3 of London burned down in 1666. It was right at the end of the great plague of London

kind of like 2020.

Re: The event that eventually led to Newton writing and publishing the Principia

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> In England around 1650 coffee houses became the favourite meeting places of the English scientific intelligentsia, the astronomers, mathematicians and natural philosophers. Here, these savants would meet up to exchange ideas, discuss the latest scientific theories and pose challenges to each other. Why don't we have coffee houses like this today? I'd go. You could argue that the web is the modern-day version of thi…

Unfortunately, that sounds like the kind of place that would immediately show up in the Lonely Planet, and tourists would flock to the place to "experience the unique intellectual atmosphere and charm of this quaint one-of-a-kind science cafe." It wouldn't be long before the intellectuals start to prefer the Starbucks across the street.

Re: The event that eventually led to Newton writing and publishing the Principia

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Atoav above described this culture in Viennese coffee houses where "you get one coffee and stay for hours."

I have seen this environment at a small university town where I used to live. You overhear all sorts of interesting conversations ranging from the middle school kids who walk there after school to professors researching antibiotic resistance.

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