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Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by toastercat » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 11:47 PM UTC

ehsankia wrote: post #563

cycloptic wrote: post #414

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PeerTube is not a company, it's an open source implementation of a peer-to-peer video sharing platform. Any person or company that wants to can pick it up and build a commercial platform on top of it. Whether that includes advertising or not is up to them.

Sure, but my point is that this doesn't answer my question. I wasn't asking which technology would the next company use. If Youtube used P2P, it still wouldn't solve many of the issue people have with Youtube.

The assumption is: yes, the content creators who host their videos via P2P solutions like PeerTube would have to rely on external sources such as Patreon, or in-video sponsorships, or as another user pointed, use the built-in donations feature.

> If Youtube used P2P, it still wouldn't solve many of the issue people have with Youtube.

What issues in particular are you talking about and how would P2P fail to resolve them?

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by valvar » Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 12:21 AM UTC

deadmutex wrote: post #577

reificator wrote: post #410

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I would assume that stops you from getting any value out of your history, but does not significantly hamper Google's tracking.

Do you have any evidence that this is so? Seems like a very odd assumption to make.

Just trust us!

I find it equally odd to assume that they do exactly what they say.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by shripadk » Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 12:21 AM UTC

hirako2000 wrote: post #540

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Companies dont have a God given right to exist, nor to intrude upon me with ads, targeted or not, nor are they entitled to my attention. I could not possibly care less what the company wants. The only effect banning advertising will have is that businesses will have to find another way to attract customers. As for companies not existing without advertising are you serious? Billboards or some other passive advertising…

Right on point. I use new pipe mostly as a vote against ads. If we all did, maybe it will put an ends to this form of ads at least.

If we all did, there won't be any small companies or startups. The only ones that will survive will be the big guys who will scoop up small players as much as possible. You will be rendered jobless along with many of your colleagues. Whether you like it or hate it, every single company today depends completely on online advertising for reaching customers/clients. I am not saying it is perfect. But there is no alternative which is as ubiquitous as online advertising! Every other form of advertising shuts out the smaller player from ever being able to compete. You can start online advertising with as little as 10$. Which other medium gives you that ability? For a cash-strapped startup this is a lifeline!

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by Mindwipe » Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 1:33 AM UTC

chin123 wrote: post #360

product50 wrote: post #263

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I hope you realize that apps like these kill the ecosystem for content creators who are paid based on ads. If you don't like YT ads, pay for the premium version. But suggesting that this app is great is not right. Anyways, I trust if this becomes big, YT will kill them anyways. YT API requires keys and they know exactly what is going on here and can shut it down in a heartbeat if they want to. This is exactly what ha…

Except, newpipe doesn't use the YouTube API. Similar to youtube-dl, it scrapes the YouTube webpage for all its functionality. The only way I can imagine YouTube can shut this down is by introducing DRM, at which point I hope people will boycott them anyway.

The vast, vast majority of users (99.9999+%) wouldn't even notice.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by Mindwipe » Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 1:34 AM UTC

cyphar wrote: post #390

product50 wrote: post #263

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I hope you realize that apps like these kill the ecosystem for content creators who are paid based on ads. If you don't like YT ads, pay for the premium version. But suggesting that this app is great is not right. Anyways, I trust if this becomes big, YT will kill them anyways. YT API requires keys and they know exactly what is going on here and can shut it down in a heartbeat if they want to. This is exactly what ha…

People already use ad blockers on YouTube which have a similar effect, so this isn't a unique "problem" to NewPipe. I also directly financially support creators whose content I enjoy and most large creators these days have advertisements embedded in their videos, as well as asking for support through means other than AdSense. But more importantly, the main reason I use NewPipe is because it has basic features that th…

> You can get this incredibly basic feature if you pay for YouTube Red, which seems to indicate the only reason this feature isn't provided for the free version is spite.

It's because YouTube's music agreements prohibit it on mobile platforms to prevent it competing with Spotify et al.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by drbacon » Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 5:10 AM UTC

ferzul wrote: post #523

Kiro wrote: post #225

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People on HN always dismiss ads with "Just let me pay for the service." but only when that's not an option.

in the olden days, i could walk into a newsagent/video shop, pick up a product, exchange some plesantries, put down some coins, and walk out. no-one would know my name or anything about me. nowadays, if you want to pay for a newspaper article or a video, you have to fork over all your pii and oblige yourself to paying a certain sum in the future unless you do something to cancel it. there is no fairness in commerce a…

Thank you for your thoughtful comment. I appreciate it, ferzul.

I 100% agree that personal data has unfortunately found its way into a transaction in which it should not belong. I respect the fact that you push back on this point, though I do find "treat them like hostiles" as an extreme position. Other entities offer transactions that I find abhorrent, and I simply just refuse to interact with them.

If paying for physical media (be it movies or newspapers or anything else) with "coins" is still valuable to you, I encourage you to continue to practice that behavior, and encourage others as well. It is still mostly possible in many cases.

> ...Google actively requires you to trust them... ... I shouldn't have to trust corporations.

Regarding YouTube, you can still interact with them in a trustless environment. Browse in incognito mode in a non-Google browser. Google gets to show an ad to an anonymous user and you get to watch a video. End of transaction.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by colordrops » Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 7:14 AM UTC

dennisy wrote: post #486

colordrops wrote: post #437

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It is a difficult situation for creators. I do wish there were decentralized solutions that picked up some traction.

So if a decentralised solution picked up, but it’s model was advertising based would you still choose to block ads?

Yes, because the advertising model is a bane on humanity and they should just charge a fee for their content.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 11:34 AM UTC

ss3000 wrote: post #472

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> This is the best youtube client, bar none. It keeps local history and "subscriptions" without requiring you to log in to google. Isn't it funny how one man's feature is another man's bug? Not supporting logging in with a Google account to keep subscriptions and history synchronized across devices is exactly what disqualifies it from consideration for me, and I suspect I'm not alone here. For those like me there's Y…

Piggybacking on my own comment, I'd love to hear if anyone has ideas on how to block Ads on a Chromecast...

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Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by 627467 » Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 1:16 PM UTC

themacguffinman wrote: post #580

627467 wrote: post #542

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> Restaurants are welcome not to serve me their food if I don't accept their bill, but I won't tell them upfront just like you. What's the restaurant equivalent to me having to turn on JavaScript or disable my ad blocker? > thought it was honest and interesting to raise the issue of self-interested piracy for low-income users. Well, I touched you on that point (inequality). But it seems that I failed to touch you on…

Creators have the right to set terms on the fruits of their labor. Your rights end where their rights begin. A restaurant's terms is their fee, YouTube and creators' terms are ads or Premium. I don't know why some people think they can just make up the right to do whatever they want with other people's work. You can do what you want on your computer, but not with their stuff. Easy solution: don't use YouTube, but app…

I am entitled not due to a sense of self entitlement, but because that's how the protocol for engagement on the web defines it: that's how tcp/ip works. I type in a url and my computer takes whatever bits the server sends my way.

Platforms and creators have pletora of other protocols to use that suit the model you're suggesting.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by lilsoso » Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 1:34 PM UTC

sgloutnikov wrote: post #14

noarchy wrote: post #9

This remains a killer app for me on Android. I don't know if anything equivalent exists on iOS, to enable background playing and video downloads (and you can choose whether to download them as audio files).

Musi[1] is what I use for playing in the background on iOS. [1] https://apps.apple.com/us/app/musi-simple-music-streaming/id...

Musi does work well for playing music in the background on iOS.

A downside to Musi is that after playing a video a full screen ad will often pop up in a way that feels invasive and can be difficult to avoid inadvertently clicking. The behavior feels like malware, which leaves me concerned that the developers behind the app might hold flexible ethics and engage in practices such as covertly monetizing user data.