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Re: Windows on Raspberry

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Post by ldiracdelta »

fortran77 wrote: post #19
ldiracdelta wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My experience in general with windows is that you need GUIs everywhere to configure stuff, whereas linux is text config first. I just deployed 20 pi's at work for a project and remote management on raspbian is fantastic. My BOM for the project is $300 and the previous system's BOM was $3k. Love raspbian. The other piece is that there are 10 years of raspbian questions and answers on the internet. You have a problem,…

You can do absolutely everything from powershell on the command line, on your local machine or any machine in your network, from Windows 10.

Sure. It mostly isn't a first class customer, however. We may never have "The Year of The Linux Desktop" because of this, but command line configuration in Linux is the first class use case.

Re: Windows on Raspberry

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Post by pndy »

Wouldn't be that still kinda limited to what Microsoft Store provides in terms of software for everyday use? Because from what I remember, that translation feature on Windows which minces x86 to ARM is still away from being finished.

I also wonder - which perhaps might sound bit naiive, if is there a chance that ARM will enter on PCs and we'll see combined architecture motherboards or at least some daughterboards with these processors; kinda similar to accelerator cards from Amigas.

Re: Windows on Raspberry

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Post by mrpippy »

BlahGod420 wrote: post #2

Does anyone have more experience with Windows on IoT devices in general? I'm curious about this - it seems like it could be a real game changer in general for IoT. But if it is already available and not actually doing much game changing, I'd be curious to know why.

Note that this utility is for installing the full desktop Windows on ARM (at best a gray area wrt licensing), not IoT

Re: Windows on Raspberry

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Post by rowanG077 »

pndy wrote: post #22

Wouldn't be that still kinda limited to what Microsoft Store provides in terms of software for everyday use? Because from what I remember, that translation feature on Windows which minces x86 to ARM is still away from being finished. I also wonder - which perhaps might sound bit naiive, if is there a chance that ARM will enter on PCs and we'll see combined architecture motherboards or at least some daughterboards wit…

The translation feature that minces x86 to ARM is done. x64 is still in the works.

Re: Windows on Raspberry

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Post by grawprog »

zozbot234 wrote: post #7
detaro wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Embedded Windows has been a thing for a long time and has steadily become less and less relevant over the past decade or so, with many users slowly migrating away. It is more expensive and basically unsupported by Microsoft and hardware makers, while adding very little unique features. I've basically only encountered it in "We stop support for Windows" announcements, "Here's how to make migrating away from it a bit e…

> Embedded Windows has been a thing for a long time Mostly in Windows CE palmtops, based on a miniaturized version of the actual Windows 9x interface. Not sure it's ever been a thing in real embedded workloads.

The CNC machines I used to run ran off an embedded version of xp customized by Siemens as part of their Simatic system.

https://support.industry.siemens.com/cs/document/20059684/si...

I believe the newer versions of their machines have upgraded to windows 10 however and are handled a bit differently now.

Re: Windows on Raspberry

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Post by ineedasername »

rowanG077 wrote: post #24
pndy wrote: post #22

Wouldn't be that still kinda limited to what Microsoft Store provides in terms of software for everyday use? Because from what I remember, that translation feature on Windows which minces x86 to ARM is still away from being finished. I also wonder - which perhaps might sound bit naiive, if is there a chance that ARM will enter on PCs and we'll see combined architecture motherboards or at least some daughterboards wit…

The translation feature that minces x86 to ARM is done. x64 is still in the works.

How is the performance?

Re: Windows on Raspberry

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Post by geerlingguy »

ineedasername wrote: post #26
rowanG077 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The translation feature that minces x86 to ARM is done. x64 is still in the works.

How is the performance?

Very slow. Someone I saw on YouTube tested a couple simple platformer. X86 games on the Pi 4 and got 2-4 FPS.

But it's neat that it works... there are plenty of simpler enterprise apps that would run just fine without a ton of performance.

Re: Windows on Raspberry

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Post by cptskippy »

ldiracdelta wrote: post #21
fortran77 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can do absolutely everything from powershell on the command line, on your local machine or any machine in your network, from Windows 10.

Sure. It mostly isn't a first class customer, however. We may never have "The Year of The Linux Desktop" because of this, but command line configuration in Linux is the first class use case.

I don't agree with the comment you responded to but all server tools for Windows are configured via Powershell, and the GUIs just use the PowerShell Apis.

They started migration back in server 2008 or 8r2 to support Headless/Azure.

The GUI is literally a second class citizen in Windows Server these days.

Re: Windows on Raspberry

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Post by ineedasername »

ldiracdelta wrote: post #16
BlahGod420 wrote: post #2

Does anyone have more experience with Windows on IoT devices in general? I'm curious about this - it seems like it could be a real game changer in general for IoT. But if it is already available and not actually doing much game changing, I'd be curious to know why.

My experience in general with windows is that you need GUIs everywhere to configure stuff, whereas linux is text config first. I just deployed 20 pi's at work for a project and remote management on raspbian is fantastic. My BOM for the project is $300 and the previous system's BOM was $3k. Love raspbian. The other piece is that there are 10 years of raspbian questions and answers on the internet. You have a problem,…

Will it take more time to setup and configure the Pi's than with the $3k system? If not, great! If so, then unless money for a hardware budget is the primary constraint, your time has to factor into the price as well.

Re: Windows on Raspberry

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Post by kabdib »

BlahGod420 wrote: post #2

Does anyone have more experience with Windows on IoT devices in general? I'm curious about this - it seems like it could be a real game changer in general for IoT. But if it is already available and not actually doing much game changing, I'd be curious to know why.

Let's just say that unless you're under a non-technical (e.g., political) mandate to use an embedded version of Windows, I cannot think of a good reason to seriously consider it.
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