NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client • Hacker News Board

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by anoncake » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 5:25 PM UTC

harshitaneja wrote: post #536

anoncake wrote: post #494

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You mean "expose the user to emotional manipulation through ads. That is not a feature, unless it's opt-in. A donation button or something like that would be.

You opt-in when you decide you want to consume content made with effort by the creator and hosted with effort by youtube. In a lot of countries, you have an option to opt out of "emotional manupulation through ads" by subscribing to youtube premium.

You don't understand what "opt-in" means or you're pretending you don't.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by anoncake » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 5:31 PM UTC

Kiro wrote: post #225

izacus wrote: post #51

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YouTube Premium will not show any Ads. You just need to pay for the service you're receiving. Since when is that an unreasonable ask?

People on HN always dismiss ads with "Just let me pay for the service." but only when that's not an option.

But it isn't. YouTube, the service is free. What you can pay for is not suffering from ads, but you had no obligation to do that anyway.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by ehsankia » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 6:25 PM UTC

cycloptic wrote: post #414

ehsankia wrote: post #402

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Does PeerTube pay people? Or is the assumption that creators should get all their revenue from external sources?

PeerTube is not a company, it's an open source implementation of a peer-to-peer video sharing platform. Any person or company that wants to can pick it up and build a commercial platform on top of it. Whether that includes advertising or not is up to them.

Sure, but my point is that this doesn't answer my question. I wasn't asking which technology would the next company use. If Youtube used P2P, it still wouldn't solve many of the issue people have with Youtube.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by ehsankia » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 6:32 PM UTC

sparkie wrote: post #478

ehsankia wrote: post #405

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I'm sorry but it's a little jarring how you don't even acknowledge that Youtube is a service as part of the equation. You speak about the "content creator" providing you with a service, but fully take the platform on which it happens for granted. If you don't want to feed the "Surveillance company", then don't use Youtube at all. But it is quite arrogant to benefit from their work, acting entitled to it, and then tur…

I do acknowledge that Youtube is a service provider as well as a surveillance company, but I don't agree with the terms on which they operate, so I elect not to use all of their service. I'm not "entitled" to anything, but the content is accessible to me without being spied on, so this is the way I will consume it until the creator uses an alternative, non-surveillance company to distribute their content. The onus is…

> The onus is on the content creator

But again, hidden behind that is indeed an air of entitlement. It implies that you are owed content from the creator, and if the creator decides to put it on Youtube, then they are giving away their rights to be compensated by you. And you still don't really acknowledge that what Youtube (not the creator) is providing you should be compensated either.

If you found a shortcut for getting food from a store without paying (let's say a big store like Walmart or McDonalds), do you think it's a fine thing to do? Do you think it's ethical to get the hard work of others for free, just because the company providing said work is rich?

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 7:00 PM UTC

ss3000 wrote: post #472

ss3000 wrote: post #468

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> This is the best youtube client, bar none. It keeps local history and "subscriptions" without requiring you to log in to google. Isn't it funny how one man's feature is another man's bug? Not supporting logging in with a Google account to keep subscriptions and history synchronized across devices is exactly what disqualifies it from consideration for me, and I suspect I'm not alone here. For those like me there's Y…

Piggybacking on my own comment, I'd love to hear if anyone has ideas on how to block Ads on a Chromecast...

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Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by ss3000 » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 7:08 PM UTC

rex_lupi wrote: post #554

ss3000 wrote: post #468

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> This is the best youtube client, bar none. It keeps local history and "subscriptions" without requiring you to log in to google. Isn't it funny how one man's feature is another man's bug? Not supporting logging in with a Google account to keep subscriptions and history synchronized across devices is exactly what disqualifies it from consideration for me, and I suspect I'm not alone here. For those like me there's Y…

vanced is just the normal youtube app with just some modifications to block ads and background playback. It is closed sourced, not to mention, and uses a modified version of MicroG that works in unknown ways to access/sync with the google account, which is very different to the original MicroG (which has been developed to replace Google Services from your phone to minimize google tracking your activities.) . If you d…

Yes the app itself is closed sourced, but FWIW their MicroG fork is not: https://github.com/YTVanced/VancedMicroG

Their stance on why they can't open source it sounds reasonable: https://github.com/YTVanced/VancedWebsite/issues/10

But I agree that if you have sensitive data on your google account you should make a value judgement yourself on if the extra convenience/features on Vanced is worth the risk over NewPipe.

I personally use a different mail provider so I don't have much sensitive information on my Google account, basically just using it for YouTube and Play Store.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by shripadk » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 7:12 PM UTC

effingwewt wrote: post #513

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I agree with all your points. I would prefer more control over what ads are shown rather than blanket ad ban. There is no alternative way for companies to reach customers. Supporting Content Creators is not the same though. It just benefits two people in the equation: Content Creator and Consumer. This is not viable longer term as it depends on the Consumer being able to pay for the content offered by the Creator! An…

Companies dont have a God given right to exist, nor to intrude upon me with ads, targeted or not, nor are they entitled to my attention. I could not possibly care less what the company wants. The only effect banning advertising will have is that businesses will have to find another way to attract customers. As for companies not existing without advertising are you serious? Billboards or some other passive advertising…

> Companies dont have a God given right to exist, nor to intrude upon me with ads, targeted or not, nor are they entitled to my attention. I could not possibly care less what the company wants.

Good for you. Use an ad blocker.

> The only effect banning advertising will have is that businesses will have to find another way to attract customers.

There is no better way in the 21st century than online advertising. Nothing even comes close. You want to remove online advertising, you will have to remove 80% of the companies that exist today as well causing huge unemployment.

> As for companies not existing without advertising are you serious? Billboards or some other passive advertising could still be possible,or how about we all opt in to services we want to hear about.

You possibly can't be serious. Do you know how much it costs to run an ad on a billboard? It is the second most expensive form of advertisement after TV ads! Technology has enabled us to reach people in better ways. If you want to revert back to ancient ways of advertising why not go all the way back to stone age where there was no form of advertising and everything was done through barter system?

> Companies have existed before modern advertising and will exist after.

Yes they have. But there were no trillion dollar valued companies pre-modern advertising. That is also a fact! You want to go back to printing ads in newspapers, using billboards and TV/radio ads? Not all companies can afford it. Majority of the advertisers (in terms of numbers and not revenue) are small mom and pop shops and startups. They do not have the capital to invest in these avenues. What you are suggesting is regression not progress!

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by ativzzz » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 7:12 PM UTC

dingaling wrote: post #514

ativzzz wrote: post #366

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> They are "accessing ... part of the Service or Content [without being] expressly authorized." Are they though? AFAIK, law is very pedantic, and technically speaking, a human is physically incapable of accessing Youtube; we use tools to do so. We use some kind of software to access youtube.com, in this case, we are using an app that accesses youtube.com and relays the content on that page back to us. Similar to say,…

> technically speaking, a human is physically incapable of accessing Youtube; we use tools to do so "Your Honour, technically I did not break the window. I had to use a rock as my agent, therefore the rock is guilty."

I mean hey the NRA has argued this successfully about guns (or maybe their money argued it successfully) so why not? Lets start a rock lobby to allow more rock freedom

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by tracker1 » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 7:35 PM UTC

itsnotlupus wrote: post #299

tracker1 wrote: post #295

Don't seem to be able to snag it via F-Droid, the app seems to be 2yo without updates... May look again later.

It's definitely there, and updated often: NewPipe (Lightweight YouTube frontend) - https://f-droid.org/app/org.schabi.newpipe

When I'd click on the link, I get download failed... and the version I'm seeing on F-Droid was 2yo... I did download and install via the github repo.... may play with it a bit more later.

F-Droid definitely wasn't a recent one when I tried (in the comment above) it now seems to be showing more recent ones on my phone... I don't use f-droid often, so may have been a syncing/update issue or something else.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by mav3rick » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 8:00 PM UTC

kevingrahl wrote: post #434

mav3rick wrote: post #431

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So this is your design ? Have mkbhd zip his file and send it to his million subscribers ?

Not who you asked and I’m not up to date when it comes to the world of video streaming but personally I’d prefer a web where content creators would have to pay to distribute their content. Pay as in have some server, domain, bandwidth and whatnot. It’s then up to the creator to decide how/if to monetize their content. Just like the old days.

We would not have any of the creators we had today. You're gatekeeping not only in the developed world but also in the developing world. A slew of people would be discouraged to even start given that they don't have money for bandwidth, servers, domains. Such a parochial, insulated view.