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Oregon, Journalists Sue U.S. over Portland Arrests, Violence

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Re: Oregon, Journalists Sue U.S. over Portland Arrests, Violence

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Post by gmantg »

xenadu02 wrote: post #22

Secret police snatching people off the street in unmarked vehicles is 100% police state / gestapo behavior. No one should be OK with it.

I think these minivans is a rational and smart move (amoral, but that's another story). The protest is snowballing and there's not enough police-like forces that blindly support the current regime. The administration understands that victory loves preparation and starts preparing now: they normalize the minivans, so people get used to them and won't question this later when millions of such minivans show up on streets. Generic outfit and lack of ID allows to hire just about anyone to work as a police-like force. My bet is that "the minivans force" will get out of control once they realise that nobody is looking after them. On a side note, I know that many rich and wealthy people have expressed a sudden interest to spend an extended vacation in new Zealand a few month ago.

Re: Oregon, Journalists Sue U.S. over Portland Arrests, Violence

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Post by Jgrubb »

cwhiz wrote: post #57

“Protests.” Let’s be honest on both sides. What’s going on in Portland is violent rioting. “Demonstrators” don’t burn cars in the street, but rioters do.

Burning cars, so what? Parisians riot like this about every 18 months or so and the state doesn't call out the secret police and somehow the country still exists.

Re: Oregon, Journalists Sue U.S. over Portland Arrests, Violence

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Post by [deleted] »

jtgi8jgfdg wrote: post #53
staycoolboy wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And a garbage can was set on fire. And one or two windows smashed. But to hear it from Fox news, they think its the LA riots from '92.

Watch videos on Andy Ngo's Twitter feed. The Portland protesters are engaged in much more violent activities than setting a garbage can on fire.

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Post by seiferteric »

jorblumesea wrote: post #49
itsoktocry wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Where are the "second amendments against tyranny folks"? Not supporting the people who blame them for violence and want to take their guns away. Does that surprise you? Perhaps there is a lesson here somewhere.

I think my point was that it was entirely a bad faith argument. They never cared about preserving freedoms, American democracy or the values that this country stands for. It was just a political tool in a cultural war chess game. It was to drive gun sales and get people out to vote. They talk about having these guns to stand up to government overreach, preserving liberty and freedoms etc. Then when we have literal se…

Your placing awfully big demands on people you seem to hate. Perhaps they just don't think shooting people is the best strategy right now? Are they allowed to have other ideas than yours when it comes to how to respond to various situations? Many people are outraged over this and there will be various legal actions as a result I am sure. Maybe people want to see if the system works before starting an insurrection and getting themselves killed?

Re: Oregon, Journalists Sue U.S. over Portland Arrests, Violence

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Post by [deleted] »

eanzenberg wrote: post #75

Antifa was declared a terrorist organization. They were seen as co-opting a movement, instigating with violence throughout the country, especially in poor neighborhoods, and attempting to start a race-war. However you may feel about the designation, the means to stop them are deemed serious enough to warrant these measures.

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Re: Oregon, Journalists Sue U.S. over Portland Arrests, Violence

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Post by GaryNumanVevo »

jtgi8jgfdg wrote: post #69
staycoolboy wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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He was beaten, punched and kicked by a mob of Antifa. It's all documented on video.

He's well known for doxxing, providing kill lists to AtomWaffen. I don't think that behavior is exactly rewarded in the public square.

Re: Oregon, Journalists Sue U.S. over Portland Arrests, Violence

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Post by fzeroracer »

Google234 wrote: post #79
fzeroracer wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately the way I see people defend this sorta stuff is that they tend to work backwards. They were detained because they are obviously criminals and they are obviously criminals because they are protesters and are guilty by association. Though I have a feeling that if any of the anti-mask protesters were treated like this you'd see sentiment change rather rapidly.

The anti mask protesters were not trying to burn down federal buildings.

They are, however, stabbing people that ask them to put on a mask [1], or shooting them [2] or assaulting them in general [3].

And let's be honest here. If you want to associate all protesters with the rioters, then I'll associate all anti-mask violence with the anti-mask protesters. Guilt by association should be treated equally, correct?

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/14/michigan-fac...

[2] https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/0...

[3] https://www.businessinsider.com/walmart-shoppers-pull-guns-h...

Re: Oregon, Journalists Sue U.S. over Portland Arrests, Violence

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Post by xhkkffbf »

Jgrubb wrote: post #82
cwhiz wrote: post #57

“Protests.” Let’s be honest on both sides. What’s going on in Portland is violent rioting. “Demonstrators” don’t burn cars in the street, but rioters do.

Burning cars, so what? Parisians riot like this about every 18 months or so and the state doesn't call out the secret police and somehow the country still exists.

Could you be so kind as to self-dox the location of your car so the protestors will know who is totally okay with having his/her/etc car burned?

Re: Oregon, Journalists Sue U.S. over Portland Arrests, Violence

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Post by beervirus »

Jgrubb wrote: post #82
cwhiz wrote: post #57

“Protests.” Let’s be honest on both sides. What’s going on in Portland is violent rioting. “Demonstrators” don’t burn cars in the street, but rioters do.

Burning cars, so what? Parisians riot like this about every 18 months or so and the state doesn't call out the secret police and somehow the country still exists.

Maybe the fact that there are no consequences has something to do with the fact that it keeps happening every 18 months?
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