Oregon, Journalists Sue U.S. over Portland Arrests, Violence • Hacker News Board

Re: Oregon, Journalists Sue U.S. over Portland Arrests, Violence

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Post by whatthesmack » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 5:57 PM UTC

jorblumesea wrote: post #20

pravus wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We were told to shut up and put away our guns because these things could never happen...

Well if you don't use it to defend democratic values then I'd say you don't deserve those guns. The 2nd amendment was literally a hedge against these situations but many of those strong believers in the second amendment are conspicuously absent and probably side with the right wing fascist elements. Unfortunately many if not most gun owners seem to be entirely ok with eroding American democratic values and freedom so…

Yeah, because we’re tired of mayors and governors letting the real fascists own the streets, causing untold violence and damage. If those folks are breaking the law, it should be no surprise when they’re placed under arrest.

Re: Oregon, Journalists Sue U.S. over Portland Arrests, Violence

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Post by itsoktocry » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 5:59 PM UTC

mindslight wrote: post #15

We're at the point where the larger Republican establishment either needs to repudiate and remove this anti-American wannabe dictator, or they're going to find themselves at the guillotine alongside him. Our society cannot take another 6 months of economic destruction, brazen totalitarianism, and weaponized ignorance.

>or they're going to find themselves at the guillotine alongside him

Be careful what you wish for, because the tech overlords and their enablers aren't very far down the list after the politicians.

Re: Oregon, Journalists Sue U.S. over Portland Arrests, Violence

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Post by whatthesmack » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 5:59 PM UTC

Google234 wrote: post #17

Maybe these Portlanders should stop trying to burn down the federal courthouse.

My thoughts exactly. When they’re being violent and destroying things, does it really come as a surprise that they’re getting arrested?

Re: Oregon, Journalists Sue U.S. over Portland Arrests, Violence

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Post by seiferteric » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 6:00 PM UTC

jorblumesea wrote: post #20

pravus wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We were told to shut up and put away our guns because these things could never happen...

Well if you don't use it to defend democratic values then I'd say you don't deserve those guns. The 2nd amendment was literally a hedge against these situations but many of those strong believers in the second amendment are conspicuously absent and probably side with the right wing fascist elements. Unfortunately many if not most gun owners seem to be entirely ok with eroding American democratic values and freedom so…

Getting really tired of these stupid strawman arguments being used to push an agenda that has nothing to do with current events. Why are you even talking about the 2nd amendment here? Why do you assume people that support the 2nd amendment are all right wing fascists?

Re: Oregon, Journalists Sue U.S. over Portland Arrests, Violence

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Post by mindslight » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 6:01 PM UTC

jorblumesea wrote: post #9

Ironically, giving ideological ammo to the protestors that the system is rotten to the core and needs to be completely replaced. Unmarked rented vehicles kidnapping protestors that lead to interrogations in a secret offsite location sounds a lot like the Stasi or Nazi germany. No one should be ok with this, ever. Where are the "second amendments against tyranny folks"? Oh, they probably support the police. Nice to se…

Yes there is an apparent a correlation between groups, at least with how mass media portrays things. But at this point we need less animosity between libertarian sects with different backgrounds and different immediate concerns. Rather than continuing to alienate them for being wrong, figure out how to make friends with those "second amendments against tyranny folks".

Re: Oregon, Journalists Sue U.S. over Portland Arrests, Violence

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Post by itsoktocry » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 6:01 PM UTC

jorblumesea wrote: post #9

Ironically, giving ideological ammo to the protestors that the system is rotten to the core and needs to be completely replaced. Unmarked rented vehicles kidnapping protestors that lead to interrogations in a secret offsite location sounds a lot like the Stasi or Nazi germany. No one should be ok with this, ever. Where are the "second amendments against tyranny folks"? Oh, they probably support the police. Nice to se…

>Where are the "second amendments against tyranny folks"?

Not supporting the people who blame them for violence and want to take their guns away. Does that surprise you? Perhaps there is a lesson here somewhere.

Re: Oregon, Journalists Sue U.S. over Portland Arrests, Violence

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Post by AbrahamParangi » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 6:01 PM UTC

itsoktocry wrote: post #27

xenadu02 wrote: post #22

Secret police snatching people off the street in unmarked vehicles is 100% police state / gestapo behavior. No one should be OK with it.

> No one should be OK with it. Agreed. And no one should be okay with the police standing down while rioters smash public buildings, vandalize and desecrate public spaces and burglarize innocent local businesses. What is the fair middle ground, and how do we get there?

The fair middle ground does not include secret police.

Re: Oregon, Journalists Sue U.S. over Portland Arrests, Violence

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Post by threentaway » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 6:01 PM UTC

kingkawn wrote: post #26

mindslight wrote: post #15

We're at the point where the larger Republican establishment either needs to repudiate and remove this anti-American wannabe dictator, or they're going to find themselves at the guillotine alongside him. Our society cannot take another 6 months of economic destruction, brazen totalitarianism, and weaponized ignorance.

This behavior is the true face of the larger republican establishment.

Yes. The "conservative, pro small government but only when it benefits me" party.

Re: Oregon, Journalists Sue U.S. over Portland Arrests, Violence

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Post by sircastor » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 6:02 PM UTC

xenadu02 wrote: post #22

Secret police snatching people off the street in unmarked vehicles is 100% police state / gestapo behavior. No one should be OK with it.

My wife chided me saying "can we not go to Nazis right away?", so I corrected to the Stasi, or the KGB. I'm appalled. I live in a suburb of Portland. The worst that can be said about what's going on here is there's a lot of graffiti. I don't know how anyone can claim that The US retains some special status of freedom now.

Re: Oregon, Journalists Sue U.S. over Portland Arrests, Violence

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Post by nickysielicki » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 6:02 PM UTC

If you’re looking to hear the other (pro-police) side of the story, I’d recommend checking out this video by YouTuber “Donut Operator”. He’s a former LEO and he makes pretty fair videos doing breakdowns of officer involved shootings and whether they were justifiable or not. He did some commentary on videos coming out of Portland.

https://youtu.be/5EgMijMhS_U