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Youtube's recommendation algorithm is one of the wonders of the modern world. I discovered so many incredible videos that I would never have searched for and that no one would have recommended to me, thanks to it.

Agreed. I'm not sure what the OP is referring to (Astros cheating scandal), but I get great recommendations as it's based on view and like:

Starcraft 2 pro matches, interesting algorithms and maths, lots of bodyweight fitness/calisthenics/gymnastics- it's fantastic!

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Youtube's recommendation algorithm is one of the wonders of the modern world. I discovered so many incredible videos that I would never have searched for and that no one would have recommended to me, thanks to it.

Agreed. I'm not sure what the OP is referring to (Astros cheating scandal), but I get great recommendations as it's based on view and like: Starcraft 2 pro matches, interesting algorithms and maths, lots of bodyweight fitness/calisthenics/gymnastics- it's fantastic!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston_Astros_sign_stealing_s...

OP is basically saying, "I know about this, YT knows I know about this, and I'm still hearing about it [even-though there are theoretically more important (new) things I'm _not_ knowing about b/c of recommendation algo]"

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YouTube still recommends content when you’re logged out. In fact, I used YouTube for years logged out, and when I started having to log in because I got YouTube Premium, I was unhappy to find all my recommendations reset! I’m starting over from the generic recommendations (which are quite frankly a little terrifying). I wish there was a way to move the recommendation data between accounts.

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Nice anecdote. YouTube constantly recommends me stuff I have 0 interest in.

Did you give it any useful information? I mean for example, I am subscribed to a bunch of channels about music theory, and Youtube will put other videos about music theory and analysis in my feed. They are highly relevant and at least somewhat popular, so usually reasonable quality. Sometimes it will start recommending videos from a channel that is not so good, and you can tell it to never show you that channel again…

My point is less about the content being useful/interesting and more about being mindful of our information diet.

How many videos do you need to watch about music theory? Does it ever feel like the same content but regurgitated in different ways? Do you watch this to genuinely learn? Or is it more enjoyment/infotainment? (honest questions)

I don't study music theory, but this is how I feel about productivity/self-help/business videos, which dominate my feed. Although these videos were life changing at one point, I'm not sure how much more value I'm getting by continuing to watch these anymore. When I get to the end of these videos, nowadays, I just feel a bit 'bleh'.

It feels nice to find new, refreshing content that is completely outside of what the youtube algo would give me, and sometimes that happens by talking to friends (esp in different industries), reading books, old blog posts, etc. I want to stay curious and proactive in finding discovering new things and hobbies and interests.

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Youtube's recommendation algorithm is one of the wonders of the modern world. I discovered so many incredible videos that I would never have searched for and that no one would have recommended to me, thanks to it.

Nice anecdote. YouTube constantly recommends me stuff I have 0 interest in.

Same here. It's constantly hoping I'll watch videos I've already watched and its forgotten I've watched.

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post #33

YouTube still recommends content when you’re logged out. In fact, I used YouTube for years logged out, and when I started having to log in because I got YouTube Premium, I was unhappy to find all my recommendations reset! I’m starting over from the generic recommendations (which are quite frankly a little terrifying). I wish there was a way to move the recommendation data between accounts.

I wish Reddit would implement a recommendation engine like YouTube. I don't want to ever log into Reddit and I just treat it as my funny pages, but every single day without fail I am subjected to all sorts of abhorrent, deviant content that is essentially forced onto their "popular" timeline despite the fact that it's not really popular.

Many times when you read the comments on these types of posts, if you sort by controversial, you can see people asking "Why is this on the front page?" or, just by counting the number of deleted comments you can see how unpopular that content really is.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you give it any useful information? I mean for example, I am subscribed to a bunch of channels about music theory, and Youtube will put other videos about music theory and analysis in my feed. They are highly relevant and at least somewhat popular, so usually reasonable quality. Sometimes it will start recommending videos from a channel that is not so good, and you can tell it to never show you that channel again…

My point is less about the content being useful/interesting and more about being mindful of our information diet. How many videos do you need to watch about music theory? Does it ever feel like the same content but regurgitated in different ways? Do you watch this to genuinely learn? Or is it more enjoyment/infotainment? (honest questions) I don't study music theory, but this is how I feel about productivity/self-hel…

I appreciate the general point of being careful about one's information diet. It's easy to fool yourself into thinking what you're consuming is bettering you, when it's really just entertainment (I consider HN to be a good example of this!)

Regarding Youtube and music education, I feel like it's a pretty healthy stream of content.

>Does it ever feel like the same content but regurgitated in different ways?

Learning an instrument is such a challenging and broad topic, there's no shortage of things to learn. One thing I like about Youtube is that the better content can surface for everyone to access. Finding a good teacher in real life can be tricky, but with Youtube I can watch 10 different people's takes on a topic and see which explanation clicks for me.

>Do you watch this to genuinely learn? Or is it more enjoyment/infotainment?

It's both. Staying motivated, interested and enthusiastic is just as important as the learning itself. Often watching a good performance or explanation of some musical idea is what makes me want to pick up my guitar in the first place. Of course there's a balance to be found - just watching videos about things you would do if you weren't so busy watching videos isn't much use.

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There’s invidio.us to avoid YouTube as much as possible.

Also, strongly disagrees with

  >> While logged in, my YouTube recommended feed is doing a great job of serving me interesting content - but is that a good thing?
I see one related item and then a barrage of the worst of humanity.

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#39

Youtube's recommendation algorithm is one of the wonders of the modern world. I discovered so many incredible videos that I would never have searched for and that no one would have recommended to me, thanks to it.

This is, in large part, because of you. You're quite lucky, but the algorithm is designed to keep people watching Youtube, it's not designed to enrich people's lives, and that means that if someone who isn't you, and who is susceptible to clickbait titles, starts to click recommendations, the algorithm silos them and their recommendations are effectively forever at best drivel, but more often than not, active disinformation or even horrifying (plenty of stories on how the algorithm is very much not interested in making your life better over on https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/campaigns/youtube-regrets/)

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> Why do we need to be constantly logged in to YouTube, Reddit, Instagram, and Twitter?...These apps all work fine anonymously

Instagram most certainly does not work without logging in. I don't have an account, and it only lets you see at max 1 or 2 posts before prompting (and mandating) a login. Also, I don't know how Twitter is useful without being logged in - you're just seeing the "trending", very little of which is statistically likely to be interesting to you.

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