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Re: Show HN: I built a free, simple login service. Would you use this?

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Post by jmull »

IgorPartola wrote: post #37
AlchemistCamp wrote: post #27

I agree with kenji's (dead) comment. I'd rather set up login functionality on my own server. If you use a third party service, their downtime becomes your downtime. Worse, you're injecting another company into your relationship with your users. If that were necessary, I'd choose one the customer was already familiar with, like Google, Facebook or Twitter. Setting up login isn't very difficult and libraries exist for…

Login management should be built into the browsers instead. Imagine a UI where you go to log in and instead of a text/email field for login and a password field you get a drop down with a list of your personas that you’ve created with the option of adding a new one. Under the hood it would use a public/private key pair to authenticate you with the site. Browsers could implement a service that backs up your personas a…

Don't browsers essentially do this already?

You're suggesting some different backend details, but the UX you describe is already in place.

Re: Show HN: I built a free, simple login service. Would you use this?

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Post by techdragon »

matsemann wrote: post #54
AlchemistCamp wrote: post #27

I agree with kenji's (dead) comment. I'd rather set up login functionality on my own server. If you use a third party service, their downtime becomes your downtime. Worse, you're injecting another company into your relationship with your users. If that were necessary, I'd choose one the customer was already familiar with, like Google, Facebook or Twitter. Setting up login isn't very difficult and libraries exist for…

While there often are built in modules for lots of platforms, it often becomes not so easy out of the box when a platform scales. Adding login to RoR is easy, but what if there suddenly is a wordpress site serving the articles, some java backend services handling other aspects etc. Or just generally lots of services that are separate. Then one suddenly needs a central authority not built in to any one service. Then I…

As an Auth0 user, I agree it’s not hard to setup user logins for most frameworks. The reason I’m using Auth0 boils down to business reasons not technical ones.

- If I cant make enough money per user to even pay for Auth0, why am I working on this?

- Auth0 provides more than login, its got logic related to token re-validation, signup pipelines, social platform integration, etc... sure, I could build each of these as I needed them, in fact I did previously build them for myself. However by using Auth0 I know in advance that all this kind of functionality will be available when/if I need it.

- Easy cross system auth. If I want to build something using separate services, like a front end in one tech stack and a backend/admin using a completely different stack, Auth0 makes it so easy to share logins, roles, and permissions between the two systems without having to work out how to handle it myself, or within having to run my own third system like my own installation of Keycloak or building my own equivalent to it.

Re: Show HN: I built a free, simple login service. Would you use this?

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Post by Jenz »

darau1 wrote: post #41
AlchemistCamp wrote: post #27

I agree with kenji's (dead) comment. I'd rather set up login functionality on my own server. If you use a third party service, their downtime becomes your downtime. Worse, you're injecting another company into your relationship with your users. If that were necessary, I'd choose one the customer was already familiar with, like Google, Facebook or Twitter. Setting up login isn't very difficult and libraries exist for…

I definitely don't think it's /useless/, but I wouldn't use it. Someone out there wants a dead simple login solution that they can get running with a handful of lines of code. That being said, if this was /self hostable/, I'd see myself using it on a few projects.

Off-topic side remark

HN ‘markup’ diversity is always a joy for the punctuation mark enthusiast.

\Hooray for markup/

Re: Show HN: I built a free, simple login service. Would you use this?

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Post by hnlmorg »

benzguo wrote: post #42
jcims wrote: post #34

I tried setting up an account and got a Firebase error, but generally the answer is no. Sorry. I'd have to have faith that your implementation of the login flow is more secure than one I could build or get elsewhere. Any weird security smells (like the login page differentiating invalid user email address from invalid password and leaking Firebase errors to the user) are going to lead me to believe that the code hasn…

Thanks for the feedback! This is definitely early stages – mostly looking for feedback on the product and landing page, but I’m definitely embarrassed you ran into that Firebase error! I built the admin side using Firebase auth to get started, but have been planning to move it over to Loginland...

I think you really need to do this before expecting people to use your service.

Re: Show HN: I built a free, simple login service. Would you use this?

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Post by PretzelFisch »

IgorPartola wrote: post #37
AlchemistCamp wrote: post #27

I agree with kenji's (dead) comment. I'd rather set up login functionality on my own server. If you use a third party service, their downtime becomes your downtime. Worse, you're injecting another company into your relationship with your users. If that were necessary, I'd choose one the customer was already familiar with, like Google, Facebook or Twitter. Setting up login isn't very difficult and libraries exist for…

Login management should be built into the browsers instead. Imagine a UI where you go to log in and instead of a text/email field for login and a password field you get a drop down with a list of your personas that you’ve created with the option of adding a new one. Under the hood it would use a public/private key pair to authenticate you with the site. Browsers could implement a service that backs up your personas a…

I don't like this idea, it makes using a public/cafe computer impossible. It would also force me to have a work browser and personal browser on all my devices. I am also not a fan of google chrome trying to log me into every site with my google profile.

Re: Show HN: I built a free, simple login service. Would you use this?

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Post by benzguo »

koopuluri wrote: post #40

My first thought when I was going through the page: HN will not see much value in this given it's a highly technical crowd. I urge you NOT to get discouraged, and to chat with non-technical online small business builders: you'd find many who market primarily on Instagram, who are just figuring out how to get a nice website for their brand. I see a lot of value if you position your service as a way for them to offer a…

Thanks for this comment, it was really encouraging!

Do you know if there’s a community where these Insta founders hang out? I’d love to chat with you more if you’re open to it, I’m @benzguo on twitter!

Re: Show HN: I built a free, simple login service. Would you use this?

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Post by atarian »

AlchemistCamp wrote: post #27

I agree with kenji's (dead) comment. I'd rather set up login functionality on my own server. If you use a third party service, their downtime becomes your downtime. Worse, you're injecting another company into your relationship with your users. If that were necessary, I'd choose one the customer was already familiar with, like Google, Facebook or Twitter. Setting up login isn't very difficult and libraries exist for…

I think most people here would rather build it themselves but there are always people out there who would pay for someone else to do it.
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