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Post by rorykoehler »

watwut wrote: post #564
rorykoehler wrote: post #411

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I really struggled with this with my toddler. In the end I decided to chill out and take whatever comes as a consequence rather than traumatise my child for life.

Typically kids are more resilient then that. The kid that ends up as scared had those tendencies before. If your toddler don't tend to be paranoid, you taking precautions and talking about them as normal thing to do won't harm him at all.

We still take precautions proportionate to the risk we face but we don’t make as big an effort to stop him doing toddler things in public

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Post by NotSammyHagar »

bmitc wrote: post #798
treis wrote: post #758

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We didn't snuff out hot spots. The virus was/is still in NYC and Washington. No matter how long we locked down for it would still be there waiting to emerge after the lock down ended. That was the problem with the lockdown. It was touted as a solution when its just a delaying tactic. Schools are the same. Keeping them closed is just a delaying tactic. And like the lockdown, unless we delay until a vaccine then it's a…

What are you suggesting is a delaying tactic? What is the thing being delayed?

The delaying was so that we 'delayed' or avoided overfilling the hospitals and causing a lot of secondary death and damage. Delay people getting sick, reduce the max. Spread the infections out over time.

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Post by dghughes »

nickserv wrote: post #885
schoolornot wrote: post #825

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JFK international airport is a 20 minute ride from the heart of Manhattan and we have a "transportation security agency" that can't find physical contraband in a suitcase much less be expected to be gatekeepers of health for the nation. Suppose we drastically lower transmission. How many times should NYC and the surrounding areas be locked down because someone flew in from a country with loose contagion protocols? Be…

Close the border, it's as simple as that. All countries that were able to lower infections did this. In Europe this was done even between neighboring countries both part of Shengen.

Here in Canada it was even done between provinces. My region has a bubble of four small provinces with few cases. But even so to travel across a provincial border in the bubble you will need proof of residency.

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Post by tgv »

neverartful wrote: post #264
tgv wrote: post #174

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Iceland, of course, has only 360.000 inhabitants.

How big of a sample size do you need to be convinced?

32 different countries? Iceland doesn't necessarily generalize to denser populations. Even the capital, Reykjavik, has a low population density, 472/km2, whereas New York has over 10,000/km2.

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Post by NotSammyHagar »

marcell wrote: post #865
oramit wrote: post #790

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Stomping the virus down to a manageable level so it doesn't overwhelm hospitals was the main goal of "Flatten the curve". We actually succeeded in quite a few hot spots to do this - NYC being the biggest example. Covid still exists there and people are still dying but it's not out of control. If you stay on top of it, it doesn't just grow again. I'm not sure why you say there was no benefit to locking down. It clearl…

What you're describing may be a controlled burn approach under a different name. After a certain point, the virus infects the entire susceptible population, and then it stops because everyone susceptible has died or obtained immunity. Suppose 30% of the population is susceptible to covid. If lockdown policy slows the spread of the virus to 1% of the population per month, it would take 30 months before the pandemic pa…

I'm sorry but you making one incorrect assumption after another.

No, it would not be logical to let the virus go. It would kill some people and causes other health effects. We don't want a few million deaths. Plus now there is clear evidence that some people don't have antibodies after they get it, a few months later, and this is not completely unknown in other diseases. Some people have some protection though. Plus there are people who get it a second time as far as we can tell.

There are not infinite number of hospital beds. In NY they were past the limits for a month, killing med staff and also ptsd for them. This was barely avoided in Seattle. It's happening now in Houston. The people sick with cv19 are blocking others from being treated, and some people stay home. The hospitals financial plans start to fail because all the other medical procedures are stopped because its dangerous to be at the hospital and they are repurposing say dermatologists to work in the cv19 wards.

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Post by orf »

DennisP wrote: post #893
rayiner wrote: post #689

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Island.

Vietnam. Long border with China, two million people cross every year, population of 95 million, zero covid deaths because they got serious early and everyone more masks.

There is absolutely no chance that they had 0 covid related deaths anywhere in the country of 95 million. None. Not to say that they didn’t act well and where prepared though.

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Post by DuskStar »

dragonwriter wrote: post #760
rpiguy wrote: post #749

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It is normal for ICUs to be at or near capacity. This is also misleading journalism. Most ICUs are in “surge” cities right now are 20-30% Covid. Reporting that they are at capacity intimates that they are packed full of Covid patients and overflowing.

> Reporting that they are at capacity intimates that they are packed full of Covid patients and overflowing. No, it suggests that if the COVID numbers go up, someone who should get ICU treatment, whether COVID or not, won't get it because there won't be capacity. Which is kind of an important fact in places where COVID numbers are trending upward.

If your ICU is at 80% capacity, with 20% COVID and 60% everything else, that means you can DOUBLE the number of COVID patients there before running out of space, whereas if all of the patients were COVID patients you could only accommodate an increase of 25%.

Yes, hitting 100% is bad no matter what percent of patients are there because of COVID. But what percent of patients are there for COVID informs how large an increase of cases can be managed.

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Post by disposition2 »

newspheasant wrote: post #278

My wife is a teacher and starting school (in person) in a week and a half. There’s no answers to questions like: - Do they have the budget for counseling when students and teachers pass away? - When a teacher gets sick, what substitute teacher is going to want to teach an exposed class (also, they’ll be making sub plans with covid?)? - When they’re sick are will they be getting additional sick leave? - Do they get wo…

All good questions. Based on some of what I've read, actions are being taken to ensure (for the most part) the contrary...that businesses / schools are protected with little regard for the individual. A more recent example is below.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/senate-republicans-to-propose-l...

> Included in the list are temporary protection from the trial bar for schools, colleges, charities and business that follow public health guidelines and for frontline medical workers.

One could argue they (in this case Senate majority) are just crossing the t's and dotting the i's but considering there has been little regard (in many states and definitely on the federal level) for public health (in favor of other concerns) thus far...that is IMHO wishful thinking.

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Post by koop123 »

oramit wrote: post #358

What we currently have going on right now is a complete collapse in confidence. So many commenters are debating the death rate, case counts, hospitalizations, etc, which is all besides the point. Heres the thing: even if you believe people are being irrationally afraid, telling people they are stupid and should just suck it up isn't going to get people to cooperate. Do you want to be smugly right, or do you want thin…

In my opinion, the government shutting down the economy and forcing businesses to stay closed was a horrible idea. The government should have intervened as little as possible. I think the news disseminating the news about coronavirus and then each individual should make the choice of what they want to do. If they wanted to stay at home then stay at home, if they want to keep their hair salon open, then they should have been allowed to make that choice. Don't forget this virus is from China and if China informed the world and the world health organizzation actually did their job then maybe they could have isolated this to China.

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Post by orf »

orbifold wrote: post #890
gowld wrote: post #702

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There are two camps causing trouble preventing COVID-19 mitigation: the Radical Right where they are in office (Trump, Arizona, Florida,...), and the Radical Right where the Left or moderate Right are in office (Michigan).

And this is because protesting during a pandemic never leads to a rise in infections, so the thousands of BLM protesters surely had nothing to do with rising case numbers.

This is a classic example of whataboutism.

BLM protests where, on the whole, at least masked. This is a huge contrast from the literal “we will not wear masks” protests that erupted from the radical right.

There’s a whole subreddit dedicated to capturing videos of such people refusing to wear masks or socially distance. Based on the non-negligible amount of (sometimes racist) right-wing talking points they often devolve into, I’d say many would be considered on the right.

In any case, weird attempt to distract against the current sitting president and radical-right legislative bodies of several states acting in direct conflict with scientific advice on how to reduce the rate of infection.

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