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Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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Post by base698 »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #436
maerF0x0 wrote: post #419

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> A mandate that people wear masks is not acceptable. Personally speaking I'm all good with wearing a mask if they let me out of my house. The Shelter in place thing has been such an overreaction that I'm kind of primed to rebel just because I'm so incensed by the violation of rights... Wearing a mask is like requiring wearing a seatbelt. Shelter in place is like saying no one can drive except a few exceptionals.

I don't believe there are any states currently issuing stay at home (which is different than SIP) orders. It also has 100% not been an overreaction. It saved countless lives by preventing spread. That whole flattening the curve thing and how well countries that have actually followed through and did not open early should show you how effective it has been.

The median death rate is 80: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/new-da...

At best it saved a few people who would have died in a couple of years.

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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Post by croutonwagon »

newspheasant wrote: post #278

My wife is a teacher and starting school (in person) in a week and a half. There’s no answers to questions like: - Do they have the budget for counseling when students and teachers pass away? - When a teacher gets sick, what substitute teacher is going to want to teach an exposed class (also, they’ll be making sub plans with covid?)? - When they’re sick are will they be getting additional sick leave? - Do they get wo…

Same here. The narrative admin has been giving parents was that they were working hand in hand with teachers on the return plan.

That was a total lie. It came out this week and parents (thankfully) called our counties admin on their narrative.

So no they have principals calling each teacher and asking them on their comfort level about returning . Unsurprisingly, most aren’t comfortable.

When they called my wife they asked for her comfort level on a 1-10 scale.

She refused to give them a number. Instead just saying this plan means she is 100% confident she will contract it and spread it to the family in the month of august. But that is not what concerns her. What concerns her is that if every other school, teacher and parent is doing the same, on the heels of the current numbers, it means we may not be able to get the medical attention we need due to overloading the medical community.

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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Post by DennisP »

rayiner wrote: post #689
samatman wrote: post #668

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It appears to have worked for New Zealand, though notably, not anywhere else, even Australia. So you can argue that it was infeasible, and I would have to agree with you. But you can't argue it was impossible.

Island.

Vietnam. Long border with China, two million people cross every year, population of 95 million, zero covid deaths because they got serious early and everyone more masks.

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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Post by ceejayoz »

Pinguinsan wrote: post #834
ceejayoz wrote: post #45

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The mortality rate in children would leave us with something like 10k dead kids country-wide if the virus is permitted to spread to everyone. Mortality isn't the only issue, either. We're seeing plenty of signs some folks survive, but with long-term health impacts. (An overwhelmed medical system will kill vulnerable kids in non-COVID ways, too. Mortality of things like car accidents and asthma attacks and suicide go…

How many kids have long term effects?

I don’t think we know that yet.

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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Post by objectivetruth »

orbifold wrote: post #890
gowld wrote: post #702

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There are two camps causing trouble preventing COVID-19 mitigation: the Radical Right where they are in office (Trump, Arizona, Florida,...), and the Radical Right where the Left or moderate Right are in office (Michigan).

And this is because protesting during a pandemic never leads to a rise in infections, so the thousands of BLM protesters surely had nothing to do with rising case numbers.

You were being sarcastic, but the research shows the protests did NOT have a measurable effect on infection. BLM protests were largely outdoors with participants largely masked. I believe you should read this article, or one of the many, many other similar articles, so that you don't post such blatant misinformation in the future:

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/06/30/black-li...

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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Post by eaandkw »

int_19h wrote: post #543
eaandkw wrote: post #450

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Honestly I think the government is too big and centralized. At this point is isn't much different that Soviet Russia back in the 80s and 90s. I think the reason the government can't do a good job is because it wasn't designed to operate the way it is now. We were supposed to be 50 states all doing what is best for them and not dictated by the federal government. The right decision for New York will probably not be th…

As somebody who actually lived in the USSR in 1980s (a reminder that it ceased to exist in 1991), that's not even wrong.

I’m not being sarcastic here but do you mean that my comment was correct? At least mostly.

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Post by grandridge »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #392
greesil wrote: post #377

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Interdimensional cable. You can't prove that I don't have it. Ask yourself this, could the current administration's response have been better given what was known at the time? If the answer is emphatically yes, then perhaps another person is better suited for the job.

Why is this even a discussion we're having? Yes, literally anybody would have had a better response than what we got. Just looking at the current state of the US vs practically any other country in the world shows how cripplingly bad the response has been from the current administration. Sometimes, I really hate the people in this country.

I was told if we did nothing there would be 2 million deaths by now. Current we are at 5% of that. This is a once in a lifetime event. Also, the US is destination one in the world, you cannot compare other countries. All I hear here is this same thing I've heard for nearly four years. A bunch of whiney vitcims of propoganda. Really you just hate yourself.

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Post by lm28469 »

ars wrote: post #215
lm28469 wrote: post #97

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Or you know, you could deal with the virus like 99% of the other first world countries and be half way through it instead of still not having hit the peak of the epidemic. It's crystal clear that the US is doing something wrong. "it's not that bad", "europe is reopening schools so we should do it too", &c. What kind of mental gymnastic do you have to go through to even write these things... https://i.imgur.com/2Pkl2P…

That graph is actually misleading. Instead take a look at each state individually: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/new-cases-50-states You will see that no single state except LA looks like that, they all look like the Germany graph. The graph is simply the result of adding several time-shifted graphs together. Basally some US states had a delay before getting hit hard by the virus. Everyone is like Europe good US b…

Did we look at the same graphs ? There are like 5 states which are post peak, 15+ in very high increase, and the rest is beginning to rise.

> Everyone is like Europe good US bad hurr hurr hurr. But actually the US is simply lagging behind Europe. States they were hit early and done, states that were not are starting their ramp up now.

The first cases were reported more or less at the same time in every state or close enough that it doesn't explain the lags.

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Post by DuskStar »

morelisp wrote: post #497
s5300 wrote: post #408

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Dear HN users: I plea that you refrain down voting any comment that advises you to take a look at DeVos's Wikipedia page. I HIGHLY advise reading Betsy DeVos's Wikipedia page. With no offense intended (truly) I've got the idea that quite a portion of HN users probably don't know just how much of an absolute shitshow the head of U.S. Education is. DeVos is certifiably insane

I will third this. Please, just look. You'll need to go through decades of multi-level marketing scams, private military contracting, torturous approach to treating autism and other behavioral therapies, and multi-generational Charismatic Christian hate groups before you can even dig into her atrocious educational policies.

> multi-level marketing scams

As far as I can tell, not mentioned on that page.

> private military contracting

Only mention is this sentence: "Betsy DeVos's brother, Erik Prince, a former U.S. Navy SEAL officer, is the founder of Blackwater USA, a private military services contractor."

> torturous approach to treating autism and other behavorial therapies

"Betsy and her husband Dick are chief investors in and board members of Neurocore, a group of brain performance centers offering biofeedback therapy for disorders such as depression, attention deficit disorder, autism, and anxiety. The therapy consists of showing movies to patients and interrupting them when they become distracted, in an effort to retrain their brains." Reading that, and the following paragraph, it seems like the efficacy of the treatment is dubious... But torture?

> multi-generational Charismatic Christian hate groups

The wikipedia page mentions a number of christian groups associated with the DeVos family. As far as I can tell, these all seem like bog-standard conservative causes. But, judging by the hyperbole in the rest of your comment, those probably do qualify as hate groups to you.

Overall, not impressed.

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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Post by DuskStar »

sv123 wrote: post #663
jorblumesea wrote: post #322

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While it's easy to blame Trump (and he deserves a heaping pile of blame), the corruption and destruction of a functional US government has long been the goal of those on the right. Since the 80s there has been a concerted movement to defund and destroy the effective ability of our government for ideological and personal reasons. Then, when the water treatment plants break down or the education system is a mess they c…

It's the GOP motto: Government doesn't work, here let me show you.

As opposed to the DNC motto of "Government works, you're just not giving us enough money".

Both parties are dysfunctional.

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