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Show HN: I built a free, simple login service. Would you use this?

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Re: Show HN: I built a free, simple login service. Would you use this?

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Post by Cu3PO42 »

benzguo wrote: post #20
Cu3PO42 wrote: post #7

If I had some smaller website that I charge nothing or barely anything on, I might. If I had a bigger SaaS product, probably not. I wouldn't say your pricing is necessarily unfair, but paying 5% for what is probably a very small part of the application, I couldn't stomach.

Thanks for the feedback! I’m open to changing the fee – is there a % fee you would be more comfortable with?

I have to say I'm personally pretty allergic to fees. Even Stripe's fees are above what I really feel comfortable with, but I'd probably pay those to deal with payments less. Anything above 1% and I'd probably be out, to be honest.

As an alternative to a fixed percent, I'd feel a lot better about a model where the fee gets progressively less with a larger amount of users. This may or may not be a personal thing.

Re: Show HN: I built a free, simple login service. Would you use this?

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Post by swyx »

martins_irbe wrote: post #29

It’s not free if you ask for a share, therefore the title is misleading. Maybe title “I built a simple login service” would be more fitting. However, I would need to question simplicity as checking your email is far away from simplicity UX wise. I wouldn’t use your service if you would pay me to use it. Comparing your service with Stripe is just ridiculous...

the login is free, the payments are not, but the title didnt say anything about payments.

Re: Show HN: I built a free, simple login service. Would you use this?

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Post by jcims »

I tried setting up an account and got a Firebase error, but generally the answer is no. Sorry.

I'd have to have faith that your implementation of the login flow is more secure than one I could build or get elsewhere. Any weird security smells (like the login page differentiating invalid user email address from invalid password and leaking Firebase errors to the user) are going to lead me to believe that the code hasn't been reviewed from a security perspective.

Re: Show HN: I built a free, simple login service. Would you use this?

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Post by benzguo »

andretti1977 wrote: post #5

It seems interesting but does the user have to check email any time he/she decides to log in to my service? If so i don't consider it interesting. I would consider very interesting something similar to firebase authentication without having to include all the google privacy killer stuffs and for free. (Edit: i didn't read the text where you explain how you make money)

Thanks for the feedback! Currently passwordless email confirmation is the only supported login flow, but I’m thinking about building alternatives like Twitter OAuth, or a password based flow.

Does the pricing model make this less appealing to you? Open to adjusting it!

Re: Show HN: I built a free, simple login service. Would you use this?

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Post by IgorPartola »

AlchemistCamp wrote: post #27

I agree with kenji's (dead) comment. I'd rather set up login functionality on my own server. If you use a third party service, their downtime becomes your downtime. Worse, you're injecting another company into your relationship with your users. If that were necessary, I'd choose one the customer was already familiar with, like Google, Facebook or Twitter. Setting up login isn't very difficult and libraries exist for…

Login management should be built into the browsers instead. Imagine a UI where you go to log in and instead of a text/email field for login and a password field you get a drop down with a list of your personas that you’ve created with the option of adding a new one. Under the hood it would use a public/private key pair to authenticate you with the site.

Browsers could implement a service that backs up your personas and syncs them across your devices. Ideally the syncing should be cross browser too and allow me to use my own servers for this if I choose.

Re: Show HN: I built a free, simple login service. Would you use this?

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Post by tomp »

A few too many steps, don't you think?

Why would the Login website redirect to Loginland instead of just sending the email directly and displaying an "please check your email" popup? One less page load.

Why would the email redirect to Loginland, not to the original website? OK maybe that's absolutely necessary because of some invasive anti-privacy user tracking, but even then, why would Loginland website tell you to close the window and go back to the original window (what if the user closed it already??), which would only then redirect to original website?

Seems like a lot of ceremony for nothing.

Re: Show HN: I built a free, simple login service. Would you use this?

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Post by rho4 »

benzguo wrote: post #24
rho4 wrote: post #15

Your fee example seems either plain wrong or dishonest. If you use Stripe to handle payments, the fee of using your service must be higher than using Stripe directly. But you claim that Stripe would take 35c, but you only 25c.

I’ll try to make this clearer, thanks for the feedback! You’d pay both, the Loginland fee on top of Stripe’s rate. (This is a pretty common pricing model for platforms – BuyMeACoffee has a similar 5% rate on top of Stripe). Open to suggestions! :)

So it‘s 2% Stripe fee plus 5% loginland fee = 7%? You repackage and resell Stripe’s payment service but tack on more than double their commission?

Re: Show HN: I built a free, simple login service. Would you use this?

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Post by koopuluri »

My first thought when I was going through the page: HN will not see much value in this given it's a highly technical crowd.

I urge you NOT to get discouraged, and to chat with non-technical online small business builders: you'd find many who market primarily on Instagram, who are just figuring out how to get a nice website for their brand.

I see a lot of value if you position your service as a way for them to offer a tiered loyalty program for their customers: i.e. "log-in via loginland, buy on our site and rack up points that you can redeem later!".

Not sure what the integration would look like with their existing website builder stack, but could be fruitful to look into this.

Also, there are MANY brands looking to spin up their first online store for their brand - may even make sense to offer a very basic product listing that lets them sell products and manage loyalty programs easily with their customers.

Just a few suggestions that stemmed from recent conversations with founders of these kinds of small scale Insta-marketed brands.

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