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U.S. Ranked Worst for Workers’ Rights Among Major Economies

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This is going to catch a lot of flak because it's a rather cynical observation. It's interesting that almost all the best countries for workers rights on the map have stagnant GDPs in the past decade outside of Uruguay and Ireland.

That would be an interesting observation if it was true but it's not (from 2013 to 2018 at least): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_real_GDP_...

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This is going to catch a lot of flak because it's a rather cynical observation. It's interesting that almost all the best countries for workers rights on the map have stagnant GDPs in the past decade outside of Uruguay and Ireland.

Worker protections are most needed in countries that have high unemployment and low job mobility.

The US (aside from covid) had one of the world's lowest unemployment rates (around 4%), with the highest salaries in the world.

Workers in the US are exceedingly mobile, so things like job security protections are actually counter-productive.

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Interestingly it's also ranked one of the highest for average wages: https://data.oecd.org/earnwage/average-wages.htm .

That is a bullshit measure. That is an arithmetic average pulled up by the excessive compensation to the 1% in America. Look at e.g. the wage of a McDonalds worker in the US and it is among the lowest in the west. I think e.g. in Norway you make 3-4x what a US McDonalds worker makes. It also does not take into account that US workers have almost no vacation and long work days. US workers don’t have they high hourly w…

You are combating one extreme with another. 1% vs McDonalds workers.

Look at the middle 90% - they are the highest paid in the world with a record low 4% unemployment rate (covid-excluding).

THIS is why worker protections are not priority. Employment mobility in the US, combined with the highest salaries makes them almost useless.

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Does not surprise me. As a Norwegian I have experienced working for smaller companies getting bought up by US multinationals in many occasions. The new American bosses tend to be surprised that employees have rights. I remember they went through their employee handbook covering the rules we should follow. Some of the rules they had on the books which was illegal in Norway: 1. Ban talking about politics and religion a…

> The new American bosses tend to be surprised that employees have rights

This reads like bad fanfic - you are relying on people’s ignorance of Norwegian law and stating things that are just not true. For instance

Employers can ask employees to not discuss politics on work time except as it relates to the job, both countries have the same exception and rules for this.

Employers can require drug testing in Norway though it is less common - the law you are referring to is about full medical examinations and specifically excludes substance testing.

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Does not surprise me. As a Norwegian I have experienced working for smaller companies getting bought up by US multinationals in many occasions. The new American bosses tend to be surprised that employees have rights. I remember they went through their employee handbook covering the rules we should follow. Some of the rules they had on the books which was illegal in Norway: 1. Ban talking about politics and religion a…

> Ban talking about politics and religion at work. Illegal in Norway as freedom of speech is a protected by government.

I'm all for freedom of speech, but there are certain policies that make me uncomfortable. Like talking about sex should be freedom of speech, but is taboo in the workplace.

It's all about protecting everyone's rights to feel comfortable (by banning topics that enrage people.).

> Criminal background checks.

This is common practice as people don't want to hire workers who will steal or cause other issues.

What's wrong with that?

> People got fired on the spot and kicked out.

Sure, that's pro worker, but not pro business. If someone isn't doing their job, they gotta go. Not 2-3 months. Now.

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People in the UK don't live in trailer parks

What is wrong with a trailer park. I’ve lived in a trailer park. Is this just a random classist dig? Or are you under the impression that trailer parks are an unmitigated hell? Some people in the U.K. do live in public housing, don’t know what it’s like, perhaps it is way nicer than a trailer park. But I don’t know, do you?

Maybe the perception is different but to me living in a caravan however big feels like one step above living in a motel which seems to be another thing that hand to mouth Americans have to put up with. You'd think that in a country as big and rich as America that workers could afford a home.

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Does not surprise me. As a Norwegian I have experienced working for smaller companies getting bought up by US multinationals in many occasions. The new American bosses tend to be surprised that employees have rights. I remember they went through their employee handbook covering the rules we should follow. Some of the rules they had on the books which was illegal in Norway: 1. Ban talking about politics and religion a…

> Ban talking about politics and religion at work. Illegal in Norway as freedom of speech is a protected by government. I'm all for freedom of speech, but there are certain policies that make me uncomfortable. Like talking about sex should be freedom of speech, but is taboo in the workplace. It's all about protecting everyone's rights to feel comfortable (by banning topics that enrage people.). > Criminal background…

You seem to underestimate the level of productivity and willingness to bring the company forward, that comes from a good worker/business relationship. And a good relationship requires good management and trust from both sides.

I would try to explain that in more detail, but I feel like your opinion is already very much set in stone.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is wrong with a trailer park. I’ve lived in a trailer park. Is this just a random classist dig? Or are you under the impression that trailer parks are an unmitigated hell? Some people in the U.K. do live in public housing, don’t know what it’s like, perhaps it is way nicer than a trailer park. But I don’t know, do you?

Maybe the perception is different but to me living in a caravan however big feels like one step above living in a motel which seems to be another thing that hand to mouth Americans have to put up with. You'd think that in a country as big and rich as America that workers could afford a home.

"Trailers" in trailer parks are not portable like a caravan or recreational vehicle.

They are full modular homes that are delivered by truck, yes, so they're initially on a trailer. But once they are "installed" they are full homes. They can't be moved on a whim, it would cost thousands of dollars to relocate a trailer home.

In other words, it's just a factory-built home that's delivered via truck in one piece.

Think of like a nice three bedroom apartment, that's what a brand new mobile home would get you. You can also get doublewides that are delivered on two trailers and put together into one home. Here's an example:

https://www.redmanhomesofindiana.com/home-plans-photos/advan...

Mobile homes can be built on an owned plot of land, or on rented space ("trailer parks").

Mobile homes may be one of the best values in America in terms of comfortable, detached living at a low cost. The idea that people in mobile homes live in squalor seems to me to be somewhat discriminatory.

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post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe the perception is different but to me living in a caravan however big feels like one step above living in a motel which seems to be another thing that hand to mouth Americans have to put up with. You'd think that in a country as big and rich as America that workers could afford a home.

"Trailers" in trailer parks are not portable like a caravan or recreational vehicle. They are full modular homes that are delivered by truck, yes, so they're initially on a trailer . But once they are "installed" they are full homes. They can't be moved on a whim, it would cost thousands of dollars to relocate a trailer home. In other words, it's just a factory-built home that's delivered via truck in one piece. Thin…

Fair enough, I still don't like the sound of them one little bit though. No one in this country would consider one of those a house though, however well appointed they are. The way people living in them are portrayed on TV/film doesn't help either though.
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