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U.S. Ranked Worst for Workers’ Rights Among Major Economies

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Re: U.S. Ranked Worst for Workers’ Rights Among Major Economies

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Post by whiddershins »

stormdennis wrote: post #25
whb07 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The poorest states in US have higher wealth than the GDP/capita of say UK and other western EU countries. What does that tell you?

People in the UK don't live in trailer parks

What is wrong with a trailer park. I’ve lived in a trailer park.

Is this just a random classist dig? Or are you under the impression that trailer parks are an unmitigated hell?

Some people in the U.K. do live in public housing, don’t know what it’s like, perhaps it is way nicer than a trailer park. But I don’t know, do you?

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Post by EliRivers »

whb07 wrote: post #21
whiddershins wrote: post #17

I hate to say it but, at this point this kinda stuff comes across as anti-American propaganda to me. It’s always an assertion that the U.S. is terrible on some metric that upon further digging was measured in some arbitrary way to get the desired conclusion. Here’s the thing: living in the United States, for a significant percentage of the population, is pretty awesome. For people not within that group, maybe it is e…

The poorest states in US have higher wealth than the GDP/capita of say UK and other western EU countries. What does that tell you?

Putting aside that you're comparing the wealth of a state (a single amount of value) with a GDP (an amount of economic activity per year) per person, which makes no sense at all [0], it tells us that the GDP per capita can be horribly misleading; especially in countries known to have unusually high levels of economic inequality.

Bill Gates walks into a dive bar; that bar suddenly has the richest clientele in the city, but almost all of them are the same poverty stricken people they were ten seconds previously.

[0] It's like comparing a hundred dollars with fifty dollars per year spread amongst four people - the units of comparison just don't match at all.

Re: U.S. Ranked Worst for Workers’ Rights Among Major Economies

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Post by suby »

fiblye wrote: post #11
nix23 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>South Korea Wow you Sir are the blindest of the blinds...really South Korea and Japan??? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_South_Korea http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20190501000216 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_Japan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karoshi

He was clearly joking, but Japan’s suicide rates have dropped. Meanwhile countless Americans are dropping out of life, overdosing on drugs, and their deaths are counted as a separate statistic. There were about 46,000 suicides in America in 2016 and 70,000 drug overdose deaths in 2017.[1] Looking at rates of unemployment, depression, and other problems, I doubt the overwhelming majority of those are completely accide…

I agree with you, and I'm reminded of this experiment which I think adds evidence to the idea that drug use and perhaps other vices are tied to how happy / fulfilled people are in life.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat_Park

Re: U.S. Ranked Worst for Workers’ Rights Among Major Economies

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Post by whiddershins »

bccdee wrote: post #40
whiddershins wrote: post #17

I hate to say it but, at this point this kinda stuff comes across as anti-American propaganda to me. It’s always an assertion that the U.S. is terrible on some metric that upon further digging was measured in some arbitrary way to get the desired conclusion. Here’s the thing: living in the United States, for a significant percentage of the population, is pretty awesome. For people not within that group, maybe it is e…

It's interesting to me that you perceive the US getting a bad evaluation as some sort of deliberate smear against America. If that were the case, you would expect to see the US mentioned in some detail in the actual report [1]. It's not; they primarily focus on labour violations in the developing world. The rating the US gets is pretty incidental. While it's easy to see life in the US as awesome from our perspective,…

Whether or not the report targeted the US, the article certainly did.

It’s not clear that “worker’s rights” legislation and regulation is in any way related to spreading the awesome.

People tend to do as you just did, assert this as self evident, but that glosses over a whole category of political and social philosophy that strongly disagrees.

The United States is fantastically prosperous, and the relatively unregulated hiring environment may have been a component.

And I’m not talking about workers in tech, I don’t think their life is that awesome. I think people living in a small town in Kentucky with a beautiful little house and great food, plenty of nature, surrounded by friends and family. That’s the awesome so many Americans have.

Re: U.S. Ranked Worst for Workers’ Rights Among Major Economies

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Post by dragonwriter »

whb07 wrote: post #21
whiddershins wrote: post #17

I hate to say it but, at this point this kinda stuff comes across as anti-American propaganda to me. It’s always an assertion that the U.S. is terrible on some metric that upon further digging was measured in some arbitrary way to get the desired conclusion. Here’s the thing: living in the United States, for a significant percentage of the population, is pretty awesome. For people not within that group, maybe it is e…

The poorest states in US have higher wealth than the GDP/capita of say UK and other western EU countries. What does that tell you?

> The poorest states in US have higher wealth than the GDP/capita of say UK and other western EU countries.

> What does that tell you?

Nothing.

Why would you compare wealth of a state (the aggregate of a stock) with GDP/capita, a per person flow. I mean, it's true, but it's also true that the poorest EU country has greater wealth than the GDP/capita of the richest US state.

Heck, the poorest country even in the process of joining the EU, Montenegro, has $26 billion in wealth, the US state, territory, or federal district with the highest GDP/capita is D.C. with $200,277, which is ~5 orders of magnitude less.

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Post by dangus »

H8crilA wrote: post #36
_qulr wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a badly written article and headline. The US was ranked worst among the G7, a very specific group of countries.

Yeah, basically among the first-world countries. Which the US probably is no more.

In my opinion, the US is basically two countries due to the inequality.

For professionals, it’s possibly the best place to live in the world.

For the working class, you’re better off elsewhere.

Re: U.S. Ranked Worst for Workers’ Rights Among Major Economies

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Post by [deleted] »

whiddershins wrote: post #44
bccdee wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's interesting to me that you perceive the US getting a bad evaluation as some sort of deliberate smear against America. If that were the case, you would expect to see the US mentioned in some detail in the actual report [1]. It's not; they primarily focus on labour violations in the developing world. The rating the US gets is pretty incidental. While it's easy to see life in the US as awesome from our perspective,…

Whether or not the report targeted the US, the article certainly did. It’s not clear that “worker’s rights” legislation and regulation is in any way related to spreading the awesome. People tend to do as you just did, assert this as self evident, but that glosses over a whole category of political and social philosophy that strongly disagrees. The United States is fantastically prosperous, and the relatively unregula…

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Post by chapium »

socialdemocrat wrote: post #27
chapium wrote: post #3

Strange not including China as a major economy. I thought they were huge!

The article said major developed economies. If you read t he article it is pretty clear what they are talking about. Don’t just comment after reading the headline.

Read the article and commented on the headline ;)

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Post by dangus »

whb07 wrote: post #21
whiddershins wrote: post #17

I hate to say it but, at this point this kinda stuff comes across as anti-American propaganda to me. It’s always an assertion that the U.S. is terrible on some metric that upon further digging was measured in some arbitrary way to get the desired conclusion. Here’s the thing: living in the United States, for a significant percentage of the population, is pretty awesome. For people not within that group, maybe it is e…

The poorest states in US have higher wealth than the GDP/capita of say UK and other western EU countries. What does that tell you?

Name an EU state that will charge you $275 for insulin.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47491964

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