UFO VPN claims zero-logs policy, leaks 20M user logs [resolved] • Hacker News Board

Re: UFO VPN claims zero-logs policy, leaks 20M user logs [resolved]

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Post by dhaavi » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 1:04 PM UTC

orliesaurus wrote: post #14

What's the most trustworthy VPN that HN users recommend? My 3 year subscription to my local one is about to run out! Looking for advice on what is trusted nowadays!

We are building a VPN-like service that solves the logging problem:

- Cash-in-Envelope Payment.

- Chains multiple servers with onion encryption. If there were any logs, they are useless.

- Custom built for privacy, similarities to Tor. Open Souce.

- Multi-Identity: Exit at multiple servers simultaneously.

- No Blockchain! Ie. no distributed and immutable log ;)

- Based in the EU, Austria.

- Public availability within the next months.

Check it out at https://safing.io/spn/

Re: UFO VPN claims zero-logs policy, leaks 20M user logs [resolved]

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Post by dhaavi » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 1:06 PM UTC

jliptzin wrote: post #10

ornxka wrote: post #5

I don't know why anybody ever cared about logging policies. How would you even know if they keep logs or don't, or what they do with them if they do?

You can’t possibly know. You have to just assume all VPN companies are logging your activity indefinitely regardless of what they say. Though I suppose you’d rather go with a VPN company that claims it doesn’t do any logging, over one that says it does.

Exactly. The only way is to make logs useless to begin with. See my comment earlier: https://news.ycombinator.com/edit?id=23881148

Re: UFO VPN claims zero-logs policy, leaks 20M user logs [resolved]

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Post by dhaavi » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 1:07 PM UTC

M2Ys4U wrote: post #102

How can you tell when VPN provider is lying when they say they don't collect logs? They say that they don't collect logs.

The only way is to make logs useless to begin with. See my comment earlier: https://news.ycombinator.com/edit?id=23881148

Re: UFO VPN claims zero-logs policy, leaks 20M user logs [resolved]

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Post by dhaavi » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 1:07 PM UTC

bitxbitxbitcoin wrote: post #69

hdjrkrmfkt wrote: post #44

Can you chain two VPNs?

Yes you can.

While you can, this is really hard. Let us do it for you.

See my comment earlier: https://news.ycombinator.com/edit?id=23881148

Re: UFO VPN claims zero-logs policy, leaks 20M user logs [resolved]

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Post by dhaavi » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 1:08 PM UTC

HungryHarold wrote: post #200

There needs to be a serious rethink of VPN services

We did exactly that.

See my comment earlier: https://news.ycombinator.com/edit?id=23881148

Re: UFO VPN claims zero-logs policy, leaks 20M user logs [resolved]

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Post by dgellow » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 1:15 PM UTC

orliesaurus wrote: post #14

What's the most trustworthy VPN that HN users recommend? My 3 year subscription to my local one is about to run out! Looking for advice on what is trusted nowadays!

I already trust ProtonMail for my emails, so in my case ProtonVPN would be a the good choice. But I still have an active subscription with IPA, and as far as I know they proved in courts that they don’t have logs, which is a strong claim.

Re: UFO VPN claims zero-logs policy, leaks 20M user logs [resolved]

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Post by sys_64738 » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 1:22 PM UTC

solarkraft wrote: post #41

VPN providers are something you should have especially high standards for. They are largely unregulated, can see all of your meta data and have an economical incentive to sell it (IIRC some big player has been caught doing that). If a provider shows even the slightest amount of fishiness, instantly discard them (NordVPN immediately comes to mind, with their weird influencer marketing campaign).

If a government body regulated VPNs then wouldn’t one of the stipulations be to keep logs for legal purposes?

Re: UFO VPN claims zero-logs policy, leaks 20M user logs [resolved]

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Post by sys_64738 » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 1:26 PM UTC

More importantly is that all this internet traffic is routed through China. Explicit MITM attacks are a courtesy.

Re: UFO VPN claims zero-logs policy, leaks 20M user logs [resolved]

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Post by progval » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 1:41 PM UTC

solarkraft wrote: post #42

novok wrote: post #32

I've come to the sad realization if you want anything approaching no logs, you're going to have to use something slow like tor, or you're going to have to do the illegal thing and make a botnet. VPNs are only useful for avoiding ISP / local network surveillance like comcast, your workplace, your school, airports, etc and to avoid DCMA scare letters. Making your own with a VPS is worse, since VPSs log on some level an…

What about chaining VPNs? Even at 2 they'd have to cooperate to unmask your traffic, right? Somewhere in the back of my mind is stored that minimaxir does this, but I couldn't confirm it with a quick search. Edit: I was actually thinking of mirimir.

Just make sure the billing info of the outgoing VPN can't be traced back to you if you want anonymity.

Re: UFO VPN claims zero-logs policy, leaks 20M user logs [resolved]

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Post by MertsA » Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 1:45 PM UTC

xenospn wrote: post #71

WillDaSilva wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is one of they many ways in which you can add money to a Mullvad account. You should try creating an account; it only takes one click.

I just signed up with Surfshark but I'll definitely check out Mullvad.

When he says it's just one click to generate an account, he means it.

https://mullvad.net/en/account/create/

That link automatically creates a new account. No names, no email address (except if you set up a PayPal subscription), not even a password. Your account number is literally all you need. They even have a FAQ that provides a generalized database schema.

https://mullvad.net/en/help/no-logging-data-policy/#numbered