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U.S. Ranked Worst for Workers’ Rights Among Major Economies

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Post by fiblye »

nix23 wrote: post #5
reedwolf wrote: post #2

US needs to emulate more worker-friendly nations like South Korea and Japan.

>South Korea Wow you Sir are the blindest of the blinds...really South Korea and Japan??? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_South_Korea http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20190501000216 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_Japan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karoshi

He was clearly joking, but Japan’s suicide rates have dropped. Meanwhile countless Americans are dropping out of life, overdosing on drugs, and their deaths are counted as a separate statistic. There were about 46,000 suicides in America in 2016 and 70,000 drug overdose deaths in 2017.[1] Looking at rates of unemployment, depression, and other problems, I doubt the overwhelming majority of those are completely accidental. If someone were to close their eyes and slam the gas pedal and accept whatever happens, we’d rule that a suicide, but we try saying drug overdoses are just accidents. It’s time to take it seriously and recognize that something in life is driving people to accept the risks of dangerous drugs. Including them in the statistic would be enough to push the American suicide rate to about double Japan’s.

But to focus on the actual topic, most of the problem in Japan is social pressure. Workers have actual legal rights. Employers are required to offer vacation time and workers can’t be fired without good reason. It’s actually incredibly difficult to fire someone.

[1] https://www.cdc.gov/injury/features/prescription-drug-overdo...

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Post by adventured »

ackbar03 wrote: post #8
reedwolf wrote: post #2

US needs to emulate more worker-friendly nations like South Korea and Japan.

Honestly when it comes to international cultureral sensitivity, I don't feel the hacker news crowd is exactly the most woke. I quite often see statements like these that are completely oblivious to the actual reality in other countries

The comment you're replying to was being snarky about Japan and South Korea.

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Post by logicchains »

cryptica wrote: post #10
whb07 wrote: post #6

While at the same time this is the real headline “U.S ranked first as country most desired to immigrate to among all countries”. Conversely: “Highly paid tech workers in the US believe Marxism will do wonders for the average person”

>> U.S ranked first as country most desired to immigrate to among all countries” This is because US has very good marketing and most of the numbers are deceptive. I think if you ask typical US immigrants how the reality corresponds with their prior expectations, I think the theme will be disappointment. Huge US salaries sound very attractive to people from other countries, but I think that when they actually arrive o…

>I think if you ask typical US immigrants how the reality corresponds with their prior expectations, I think the theme will be disappointment.

Do you have any numbers on what percentage return home?

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Post by spamizbad »

whb07 wrote: post #6

While at the same time this is the real headline “U.S ranked first as country most desired to immigrate to among all countries”. Conversely: “Highly paid tech workers in the US believe Marxism will do wonders for the average person”

> Conversely: “Highly paid tech workers in the US believe Marxism will do wonders for the average person”

People equating things like workers rights or even modest social safety nets with Marxism is incidentally probably doing more to "promote" Marxism than anything else.

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Post by whb07 »

cryptica wrote: post #10
whb07 wrote: post #6

While at the same time this is the real headline “U.S ranked first as country most desired to immigrate to among all countries”. Conversely: “Highly paid tech workers in the US believe Marxism will do wonders for the average person”

>> U.S ranked first as country most desired to immigrate to among all countries” This is because US has very good marketing and most of the numbers are deceptive. I think if you ask typical US immigrants how the reality corresponds with their prior expectations, I think the theme will be disappointment. Huge US salaries sound very attractive to people from other countries, but I think that when they actually arrive o…

I wasn’t referring to tech workers. I’m referring to the bottom half of the world.

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Post by whiddershins »

I hate to say it but, at this point this kinda stuff comes across as anti-American propaganda to me.

It’s always an assertion that the U.S. is terrible on some metric that upon further digging was measured in some arbitrary way to get the desired conclusion.

Here’s the thing: living in the United States, for a significant percentage of the population, is pretty awesome.

For people not within that group, maybe it is easy to believe that the U.S. is dystopian.

But IMO the solution might really be to keep working at extending the awesome to the rest of the people. Not be disingenuous about the awesome, that makes people want to tear everything down.

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Post by spamizbad »

logicchains wrote: post #13
cryptica wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> U.S ranked first as country most desired to immigrate to among all countries” This is because US has very good marketing and most of the numbers are deceptive. I think if you ask typical US immigrants how the reality corresponds with their prior expectations, I think the theme will be disappointment. Huge US salaries sound very attractive to people from other countries, but I think that when they actually arrive o…

>I think if you ask typical US immigrants how the reality corresponds with their prior expectations, I think the theme will be disappointment. Do you have any numbers on what percentage return home?

One paper showed about 1/3rd. Source: https://www.pnas.org/content/116/1/116/tab-figures-data

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Post by pharrington »

logicchains wrote: post #9
nix23 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>South Korea Wow you Sir are the blindest of the blinds...really South Korea and Japan??? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_South_Korea http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20190501000216 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_Japan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karoshi

Clearly the original poster was being sarcastic, in reference to those places being ranked as better for workers' rights in spite of being terrible places to work by most accounts.

The ITUC report itself rates South Korea below the US, placing `Korea (Republic of)` in the category of `No guarantee of rights`.

edit: https://www.ituc-csi.org/IMG/pdf/ituc_globalrightsindex_2020...

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