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UFO VPN claims zero-logs policy, leaks 20M user logs [resolved]

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Never buy a VPN with these kinda names. You can tell they are shady from their names and websites. UFO, Secure, Pure VPN, etc

Which name is better in your opinion? PIA? Nord? Express? All their web sites look alike as well.

If some of them are no good and their websites look the same, then is that not a good filter criteria?

Re: UFO VPN claims zero-logs policy, leaks 20M user logs [resolved]

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The only standard you can really trust is when they actually get subpoenaed and don't have anything to give to the court. An example of this is Private Internet Access.

FoxyProxy posted one of their Secret Service subpoenas along with their reply. TLDR; they said they have nothing to give: https://blog.getfoxyproxy.org/2017/11/04/secret-service-subp... As for PrivateInternetAccesss / PIA, I would not trust them at all. No one knows who the founders and executives are. After speaking at length with an ex-employee of PIA who now maintains this open-source iOS VPN client, https://passe…

I recently had an interview with ExpressVPN and it was a bit different experience. I had a video call with the hiring manager with full disclosure (name/linkedin profile). I investigated the company a little bit - it was registered on the British Virgin Islands as well and no one knows the names of the founders. I didn’t get an offer - they didn’t have a position that would match my skill set - but I was quite okay with that.

Re: UFO VPN claims zero-logs policy, leaks 20M user logs [resolved]

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Unsecured Elasticsearch, once again. ( https://www.theregister.com/2020/07/17/ufo_vpn_database/ ) So ES has insecure defaults, I get that and it's been discussed to death. But who the heck, in this day and age, exposes clusters directly to internet traffic? I don't care what the defaults or security measures you have. DONT EXPOSE SERVERS. Place them inside a VPC, preferably a private one(in AWS parlance, behind a NAT…

AWS Elasticsearch was one of the last services which didn't support VPC until late 2017 [1], moreover if you had created a cluster without VPC support the migration is very cumbersome and application changes (to enable double writes) are required to execute it without any downtime [2]. [1] https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/amazon-elasticsearch-servic... [2] https://medium.com/@vishnunarang/how-to-migrate-elasticsearc.…

Not to mention it's a massive pain to use elastic search with serverless... Especially if you want it in a private VPC. Adding ES raised our monthly bill significantly since it required also adding a NAT gateway (which then double-dips data transfer charges, actual bandwidth out and NAT processed data), the cost was replicated across multiple "States" (Dev/test/prod), and increased cold start times (below they did work to optimize that) since the lambdas accessing ES needed to be in the VPC too.

I can see developers crunched for time (or businesses, money) not taking the additional steps to get there... And this is the same deal for Redis/memcache, which is another reason I think we see those exposed sometimes too.

(To be clear, the additional costs are minor compared to a big business budget, they would be more detrimental to a low (~<400/month) budget project .. or a team that can't dedicate 300-600 man hours to implement this)

Re: UFO VPN claims zero-logs policy, leaks 20M user logs [resolved]

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Unsecured Elasticsearch, once again. ( https://www.theregister.com/2020/07/17/ufo_vpn_database/ ) So ES has insecure defaults, I get that and it's been discussed to death. But who the heck, in this day and age, exposes clusters directly to internet traffic? I don't care what the defaults or security measures you have. DONT EXPOSE SERVERS. Place them inside a VPC, preferably a private one(in AWS parlance, behind a NAT…

Putting unsecured ES on side, but logging passwords in plain text? That's a whole another level of stupidity.

You could have stopped at logging passwords.

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Oeck claims no-logs and details how they've achieved that (they don't even have hard drives). Support is responsive, you'll be responded to by those who actually built the platform. They're planning support for WireGuard. Unfortunately they have admins in Australia which has some pretty hefty laws similar to those in the US (look at gag-orders issued, and recent responses to media outlets for publishing vetted and le…

> I only wish these services did 1 thing differently - and that is, release a live video stream of their server farm's rack This is security theatre. Anyone wanting to surreptitiously access the server farm only has to stream an alternate video to defeat this.

But it still builds trust in the brand.

No one is safe from a state actor.

Re: UFO VPN claims zero-logs policy, leaks 20M user logs [resolved]

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This feels like someone scuttling the ship. - VPN based in Hong Kong. - VPN claims to not keep logs but does (ie. willing to descieve customers and secretly compromise their security). - New national security law effecting Hong Kong speech and liberty. - VPN likely to be challenged to turn over user data to Chinese authorities in the relatively near future. - Hong Kongers acquiring VPN services in droves for the explicit purpose of avoiding Chinese state monitoring of their internet traffic and communications records.

If I was working at UFO and saw the risks to my fellow citizens created not just by the company's poor security but their willingness to descieve customers I'd worry the company would quietly hand over whatever the Chinese authorities asked for - no "warrant canaries" or truth in advertising - and if probably look to throw a figurative grenade into their operations. If that meant data exposure, better now before they perfect the application of the new security laws then later when everyone feels comfortable and the CCP is just sucking up all of UFO's traffic and logs.

Re: UFO VPN claims zero-logs policy, leaks 20M user logs [resolved]

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> I only wish these services did 1 thing differently - and that is, release a live video stream of their server farm's rack This is security theatre. Anyone wanting to surreptitiously access the server farm only has to stream an alternate video to defeat this.

But it still builds trust in the brand. No one is safe from a state actor.

Trying to gain trust against something you have no control over is the very definition of security theatre.

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Im starting to trust Mozilla less since they discovered the camera in Firefox keeps recording even when you lock your phone and that they wont fix it until October....

As it should? You're on a call. You lock the phone. You expect the call to continue right? This bug is in their new browser. Its in a very early stage. So these bugs are expected

No, I dont expect the camera to stay ON (even for a video call) if I lock the phone.
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