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NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by myopenid2 »

product50 wrote: post #263
slim wrote: post #160

I hope the developers are here. I'm so grateful for this app and especially the support : Everytime YouTube obfuscates their API to take them down, they quickly publish an updated app that works. please donate : https://newpipe.schabi.org/donate/

I hope you realize that apps like these kill the ecosystem for content creators who are paid based on ads. If you don't like YT ads, pay for the premium version. But suggesting that this app is great is not right. Anyways, I trust if this becomes big, YT will kill them anyways. YT API requires keys and they know exactly what is going on here and can shut it down in a heartbeat if they want to. This is exactly what ha…

I get pre-roll ads for every video, even for channels I've never watched before. I cannot control who I want to support.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by elwell »

627467 wrote: post #428

I both pay for yt premium and use newpipe on older (degoogled) devices where using latest youtube.apk is not an option anymore. Also, where I live yt premium is a fraction of the cost of many developed countries, cheap for me but not for many in this country. In some countries yt premium is not even available. I read a lot 'entitled' opinions in this thread pretending that the whole world should ignore their circumst…

> why would you think that using open source software to access bits off of global internet is unethical/illegitimate?

"It's just bits." That's a slippery slope.

One might argue that circumventing the intended purpose of a platform in this way uses technological advantage to take advantage of content creators who are vulnerable.

The kid who takes all the candy from the "Please take one." jack-o-lantern on Halloween is only taking a bit of atoms from their neighbor's porch.

Now let me get off my high horse and turn my ad blocker back on.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by realusername »

elwell wrote: post #442
627467 wrote: post #428

I both pay for yt premium and use newpipe on older (degoogled) devices where using latest youtube.apk is not an option anymore. Also, where I live yt premium is a fraction of the cost of many developed countries, cheap for me but not for many in this country. In some countries yt premium is not even available. I read a lot 'entitled' opinions in this thread pretending that the whole world should ignore their circumst…

> why would you think that using open source software to access bits off of global internet is unethical/illegitimate? "It's just bits." That's a slippery slope. One might argue that circumventing the intended purpose of a platform in this way uses technological advantage to take advantage of content creators who are vulnerable. The kid who takes all the candy from the "Please take one." jack-o-lantern on Halloween i…

> One might argue that circumventing the intended purpose of a platform in this way uses technological advantage to take advantage of content creators who are vulnerable.

Youtube does not even run on a standard Android anymore (without Google proprietary bits) so that's not like some people have a choice anyways.

If you want to use Youtube on a standard Android, you either have to use a modded version of Youtube or a third-party app. I'd argue that modifying manually the official version sounds worse.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by gary-kim »

ghastmaster wrote: post #177
jedimastert wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's probably why it's on F-Droid

That is where I first ran into this app. Unfortunately the f-droid version is 0.15.1 while the current git release is 0.19.6.

I believe the F-Droid version is currently one patch behind. You can actually add https://archive.newpipe.net/fdroid/repo in F-Droid as a repository and you'll get the updates for NewPipe a lot faster.

I actually ended up going down a different route and created my own F-Droid repository for NewPipe and a couple other apps so I could get faster updates for them and I trust the upstream developers.

https://garykim.dev/blog/2020/04/14/personal-f-droid-reposit...

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by 627467 »

elwell wrote: post #442
627467 wrote: post #428

I both pay for yt premium and use newpipe on older (degoogled) devices where using latest youtube.apk is not an option anymore. Also, where I live yt premium is a fraction of the cost of many developed countries, cheap for me but not for many in this country. In some countries yt premium is not even available. I read a lot 'entitled' opinions in this thread pretending that the whole world should ignore their circumst…

> why would you think that using open source software to access bits off of global internet is unethical/illegitimate? "It's just bits." That's a slippery slope. One might argue that circumventing the intended purpose of a platform in this way uses technological advantage to take advantage of content creators who are vulnerable. The kid who takes all the candy from the "Please take one." jack-o-lantern on Halloween i…

But it's not really a slippery slope anymore: the world has gone down that slippery slope since the web has been created and operated and it's been great for everyone so far.

Overall, the benefits of the "free bits" have enabled anyone to be a creator and create a audience for free, has enabled companies to become global in an instant reach potentially everyone with access to TCP/IP and DNS servers. But creators and operators are trying to shoehorn the global world into a handful of brands (YouTube, ig, fb...) and a handful of business models.

If you were content creators before this age you had to suck it up to several layers of middle men, to get your content on tv, on cinema, on a CD. Now, the free bits lets you operate single handly from your bedroom. But is has a cost: you rely on gatekeepers to distribute your content and track your audience in the name of ad optimization and those users who they are trying to track - who are sovereign over their devices and software - can and will decide how they engage with the bits that reach their hardware and software.

There are alternatives: aol used to operate a walled garden. Many countries try to operate their own walled gardens. I'm not making a judgment call, I know where I prefer to spend my time on. But people do have to climb down their high horses pretending the power dynamic on the open web is only favouring consumers and users

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by zodiakzz »

sgloutnikov wrote: post #14
noarchy wrote: post #9

This remains a killer app for me on Android. I don't know if anything equivalent exists on iOS, to enable background playing and video downloads (and you can choose whether to download them as audio files).

Musi[1] is what I use for playing in the background on iOS. [1] https://apps.apple.com/us/app/musi-simple-music-streaming/id...

> #5 in Music > Stream any song from YouTube

Wow and it's been up for years! Do they scrape YouTube like NewPipe? How come Google didn't go nuts about taking it down?

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by degraafc »

fahrradflucht wrote: post #248

I read a lot of people's experiences here in the thread and I think a lot of you really should give YouTube Premium a try. It solves most of the problems you are describing, while also paying the creators

I would, but Google disabled my YT account with no reasoning or explanation. So now I'm a bit hesitant to pay for their services on another account...

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by judge2020 »

dheifidjeh wrote: post #439
judge2020 wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The argument is that there is a clear Quid Pro Quo here: you can use Google's expansive infrastructure[1]/bandwidth to obtain video content if you watch their ads or pay for Premium. Although Google hasn't banned people for blocking them, they have every right not to serve videos to you if you don't want to watch the ads. 1: https://peering.google.com/#/infrastructure

The web is a request response model. I'm not blocking ads I'm merely choosing not to request them. The idea that I owe them 5 seconds of feigned interest so they can mislead their clients with fake numbers is mental gymnastics

The technical process doesn't matter; they'd be entirely within their rights if they only sent your client a "watch token" after the 5/15/30 seconds it takes for you to watch an Ad. You don't owe them anything as long as you're fine getting nothing in return. The only reason they don't do such thing is because they know a large amount of people watch with blocked ads (blocked, as in preventing Google from getting your client to show ads) and doing so would destroy brand reputation and PR.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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