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NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by mav3rick »

mindslight wrote: post #426
ehsankia wrote: post #348

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honest and serious question, if Youtube were to shut down tomorrow, do people think that whatever alternative (or even better, competing alternatives) would have a different model? I'm curious to know what exactly would you do differently if you were to make a replacement for Youtube.

Yes. Before youtube we just sent each other video files directly, posted them on our own websites, or found them with p2p software, all of which worked fine. Web services are traps promising ease of use, while actually aiming for lock in based on network effects. That so many people think the centralized third party hosting and bundled viewing software are critical to the general functionality just goes to show how i…

So this is your design ? Have mkbhd zip his file and send it to his million subscribers ?

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by grawprog »

dmos62 wrote: post #178
drewg123 wrote: post #18

This is the best youtube client, bar none. It keeps local history and "subscriptions" without requiring you to log in to google. I use it on an Amazon Fire Tablet. There seems to be no iOS equivalent, which is one of the things preventing me from upgrading to an iPad. Has anybody used it recently on AndroidTV / FireTV? I've tried it several times in the past, and its always been wonky there. I use SmartYouTubeTV ( ht…

I've had it on my phone for some time, but 75% of the time it fails to play the video, complaining that it failed to parse the video page, or something similar. With youtube-dl, you have to keep it updated for it to not crash with similar errors, so might be a question of updates not being regular enough (I use F-Droid to update it). Also, suggestion capabilities of Youtube are very high. I'll always be coming back f…

F-droid sometimes lags a couple days behind the latest updates. Usually the parsing errors are fixed within a day or two and made available on the official site before f-droid. As far as I know, those are usually caused by updates to youtube itself.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by 90minuteAPI »

Svperstar wrote: post #429
ta1234567890 wrote: post #351

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> There seems to be no iOS equivalent, which is one of the things preventing me from upgrading to an iPad. I use an iPhone 6 and have refused to upgrade iOS to the latest version, so there are quite a few apps that don't work on my phone anymore (when launched, they show a message saying I need to get the latest version of the app, but then I can't get it because it's not available for my version of iOS), one of thos…

>I use an iPhone 6 and have refused to upgrade iOS to the latest version Why not get an Android then?

One less act of defiance to brag about on internet forums?

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by kevingrahl »

mav3rick wrote: post #431
mindslight wrote: post #426

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. Before youtube we just sent each other video files directly, posted them on our own websites, or found them with p2p software, all of which worked fine. Web services are traps promising ease of use, while actually aiming for lock in based on network effects. That so many people think the centralized third party hosting and bundled viewing software are critical to the general functionality just goes to show how i…

So this is your design ? Have mkbhd zip his file and send it to his million subscribers ?

Not who you asked and I’m not up to date when it comes to the world of video streaming but personally I’d prefer a web where content creators would have to pay to distribute their content. Pay as in have some server, domain, bandwidth and whatnot. It’s then up to the creator to decide how/if to monetize their content. Just like the old days.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by ekianjo »

product50 wrote: post #263
slim wrote: post #160

I hope the developers are here. I'm so grateful for this app and especially the support : Everytime YouTube obfuscates their API to take them down, they quickly publish an updated app that works. please donate : https://newpipe.schabi.org/donate/

I hope you realize that apps like these kill the ecosystem for content creators who are paid based on ads. If you don't like YT ads, pay for the premium version. But suggesting that this app is great is not right. Anyways, I trust if this becomes big, YT will kill them anyways. YT API requires keys and they know exactly what is going on here and can shut it down in a heartbeat if they want to. This is exactly what ha…

> hope you realize that apps like these kill the ecosystem for content creators who are paid based on ads.

If your only source of revenue is Youtube, you probably have to worry about Google more than this kind of clients taking away your earnings.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by colordrops »

Fogest wrote: post #430
colordrops wrote: post #387

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This points more to a problem with the monopolistic walled garden rather than the user. It's like saying a slave won't have food if you shoot the slave owner.

I actually think you raise a very fair point and believe you have some merit to what you believe in. I will admit that I am not very fond of YouTube either. They have far to much control over the income source of a good amount of people. They could on a whim take away the monetization of a channel (which they do sometimes) and cause them a lot of financial strain. In terms of your slave comparison I would say a bette…

It is a difficult situation for creators. I do wish there were decentralized solutions that picked up some traction.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by Fogest »

colordrops wrote: post #437
Fogest wrote: post #430

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I actually think you raise a very fair point and believe you have some merit to what you believe in. I will admit that I am not very fond of YouTube either. They have far to much control over the income source of a good amount of people. They could on a whim take away the monetization of a channel (which they do sometimes) and cause them a lot of financial strain. In terms of your slave comparison I would say a bette…

It is a difficult situation for creators. I do wish there were decentralized solutions that picked up some traction.

I definitely agree with that however I feel like the barrier to entry to non-technical folks is too high. And then the second problem being that people go where the content is, and the content doesn't want to go somewhere without people. The classic new social media problem.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by dheifidjeh »

judge2020 wrote: post #309
dheifidjeh wrote: post #296

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Its not stealing because stealing is taking something from someone. When you view video online you are copying video not moving it. What about ad blocking? Well you aren't actually blocking ads. You're electing not to request ads. I'm simply not interested in ads. It would be wrong for YouTube to sell my views to advertisers since I would just ignore the ads anyways. So basically they are actually the bad guy and I'm…

The argument is that there is a clear Quid Pro Quo here: you can use Google's expansive infrastructure[1]/bandwidth to obtain video content if you watch their ads or pay for Premium. Although Google hasn't banned people for blocking them, they have every right not to serve videos to you if you don't want to watch the ads. 1: https://peering.google.com/#/infrastructure

The web is a request response model. I'm not blocking ads I'm merely choosing not to request them. The idea that I owe them 5 seconds of feigned interest so they can mislead their clients with fake numbers is mental gymnastics

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by Bjartr »

mav3rick wrote: post #431
mindslight wrote: post #426

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. Before youtube we just sent each other video files directly, posted them on our own websites, or found them with p2p software, all of which worked fine. Web services are traps promising ease of use, while actually aiming for lock in based on network effects. That so many people think the centralized third party hosting and bundled viewing software are critical to the general functionality just goes to show how i…

So this is your design ? Have mkbhd zip his file and send it to his million subscribers ?

Sounds like a great use-case for torrents.
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