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UFO VPN claims zero-logs policy, leaks 20M user logs [resolved]

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VPN providers are something you should have especially high standards for. They are largely unregulated, can see all of your meta data and have an economical incentive to sell it (IIRC some big player has been caught doing that).

If a provider shows even the slightest amount of fishiness, instantly discard them (NordVPN immediately comes to mind, with their weird influencer marketing campaign).

Re: UFO VPN claims zero-logs policy, leaks 20M user logs [resolved]

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I've come to the sad realization if you want anything approaching no logs, you're going to have to use something slow like tor, or you're going to have to do the illegal thing and make a botnet. VPNs are only useful for avoiding ISP / local network surveillance like comcast, your workplace, your school, airports, etc and to avoid DCMA scare letters. Making your own with a VPS is worse, since VPSs log on some level an…

What about chaining VPNs? Even at 2 they'd have to cooperate to unmask your traffic, right?

Somewhere in the back of my mind is stored that minimaxir does this, but I couldn't confirm it with a quick search.

Edit: I was actually thinking of mirimir.

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I wouldn't trust any VPN under China's sphere of influence.

That's actually not an entirely crazy idea if you're trying to hide from Western governments. Are you more worried about the Chinese government coming after you? Likewise, if someone in China is trying to hide from the Chinese government, it might not be a bad idea to use an USA based VPN. Maybe string up a bunch of VPNs in regions that are at least somewhat hostile to each other and it might be too hard to track an…

> That's actually not an entirely crazy idea if...

Except that it gives them a direct avenue into your network for their own surveillance and other network attacks ... If you think comcast injecting their own JS into http pages is bad, wait you see what the d̶a̶r̶k̶ ̶a̶r̶m̶y̶ CPC could do with such power...

Re: UFO VPN claims zero-logs policy, leaks 20M user logs [resolved]

#45

What's the most trustworthy VPN that HN users recommend? My 3 year subscription to my local one is about to run out! Looking for advice on what is trusted nowadays!

Cryptostorm is up there, but I'll back ProtonVPN as well.

Re: UFO VPN claims zero-logs policy, leaks 20M user logs [resolved]

#46

What's the most trustworthy VPN that HN users recommend? My 3 year subscription to my local one is about to run out! Looking for advice on what is trusted nowadays!

I generally trust Mozilla/Firefox and they just released a VPN. It is nice to be able to outsource my VPN research to them as well, since there aren’t many orgs I trust like that. It works well so far.

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What's the most trustworthy VPN that HN users recommend? My 3 year subscription to my local one is about to run out! Looking for advice on what is trusted nowadays!

The most trustworthy is one which you setup yourself imho.

I am giving each of my family in various locations a raspberry pi 4b with wireguard setup.

They are aware of/benefit from this cross country VPN thing too.

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What's the most trustworthy VPN that HN users recommend? My 3 year subscription to my local one is about to run out! Looking for advice on what is trusted nowadays!

No such thing. You would be better off renting an inexpensive VPS and running your own VPN on it. Public VPN services have to be the one of the greatest lemon markets to have ever existed: You want people's private data? People will pay you to give it to them. Go ahead and sell the service for less than it costs due to the boatloads of data that you get. People realize this, so you end up getting a disproportionate n…

Running your own VPN provides no privacy, since you're the only user.

Of course other VPNs don't provide privacy either. The belief that they do is due to marketing, and misunderstanding what the "Private" part of VPN means: it means that two non-publicly routable IP networks (10/8, 172.16/12, 192.168/16) are virtually joined into one network. VPN companies took advantage of this (and that the connection is usually encrypted) to imply that they offer a privacy product.

The main use of a commercial VPN is to bypass region locks and other legal controls that depend on location. Pick a VPN provider (or VPS host) in a jurisdiction that won't cooperate with your home law enforcement. Assume the VPN provider spies on all your traffic.

Re: UFO VPN claims zero-logs policy, leaks 20M user logs [resolved]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Commercially I’d say ProtonVPN or PrivateInternetAccess. Best is to make your own, checkout https://github.com/StreisandEffect/streisand for an easy way to set that up.

I would never do business with Private Internet Access. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21584958 (you can google to find more-- this was just a quick result)

Despite this, they claim to be working on a way to verify their privacy claims. I don’t understand how, but if they succeed it will be noteworthy and might redeem them a fair bit

Re: UFO VPN claims zero-logs policy, leaks 20M user logs [resolved]

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What's the most trustworthy VPN that HN users recommend? My 3 year subscription to my local one is about to run out! Looking for advice on what is trusted nowadays!

Piggybacking on this, can anyone comment on Mozilla’s new VPN service?
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