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Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by flanbiscuit »

dennisy wrote: post #259

There are people whose living is made from YouTube and it’s advertising component. Whilst I would personally prefer videos with no ads, is this not stealing? I would be very interested to hear this groups view on why this is morally ok. Also what alternatives there should be to an ad revenue model for YouTube type sites.

You can ask this same question to anyone who uses an adblocker in browsers.

Until I can be absolutely assured I'm not going to be given a malicious payload from ad server I will not allow ads in my browser

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by pacamara619 »

dennisy wrote: post #259

There are people whose living is made from YouTube and it’s advertising component. Whilst I would personally prefer videos with no ads, is this not stealing? I would be very interested to hear this groups view on why this is morally ok. Also what alternatives there should be to an ad revenue model for YouTube type sites.

There is absolutely nothing virtuous in watching ads. Nothing. If you want to support someone, buy their product or give them money.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by heavyset_go »

VikingCoder wrote: post #258
heavyset_go wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah, I'll use it as I please. Your sensibilities are your own, and not mine.

I'm not worried about your sensibilities. I'm worried that your actions may indirectly cause harm to me.

Oh well, too bad.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by creato »

valvar wrote: post #294
legolas2412 wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Umm, or one could just buy YouTube premium?

How much of the YouTube premium fee goes to content creators? Why would that be better than donating directly to the content creators? Or are you suggesting that we should be philanthropic towards Alphabet Inc.?

Most channels I regularly I watch on youtube don't have a way to donate to them. The premium fee gets distributed in proportion to the channels I watch.

And I'm sure I'll get roasted for this but YT isn't free to run either. Alphabet Inc. should get some money from you if you are watching youtube, and I'd rather I just pay them than watch an ad from them.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by p49k »

koheripbal wrote: post #318
1f60c wrote: post #224

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> Are YouTube employees raiding HN or something? From the HN Guidelines[0]: > Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data. (Disclaimer: I'm not a YouTube/Google employee, just someone who cares a lot about preserving the quality of…

Is there a meta area to discuss "astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents and the like", or do we just pretend they don't exist?

It seems like there should be a monthly thread where people are allowed to openly discuss criticism (constructively).

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by ehsankia »

colordrops wrote: post #314
umvi wrote: post #310

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One time when I lived in Rome, I was near Ostia and I saw a public water fountain. The funny thing though was that someone had attached a water hose to the water output and then ran the hose into their house. Free water! "If there's a publicly exposed service with no authentication or security in place, it is not the fault of an individual for using it. It's clearly not illegal, and neither is it unethical. If [the c…

Your analogy is flawed in that there are likely laws protecting used of the water of that fountain. Not so with an open service on the internet. Further more, it's not an ocean sized fountain run by a monopolistic corporation and one of the only places to get water, with simple technology to restrict who can get water if the corporation so decided.

> in that there are likely laws protecting used of the water of that fountain

We're talking about unethical, not illegal.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by ehsankia »

thetinguy wrote: post #274
dennisy wrote: post #259

There are people whose living is made from YouTube and it’s advertising component. Whilst I would personally prefer videos with no ads, is this not stealing? I would be very interested to hear this groups view on why this is morally ok. Also what alternatives there should be to an ad revenue model for YouTube type sites.

Surprised by how little people are talking about this. Those ads are the only source of income for some creators.

And if you want to support the creator and not get ads, there's Youtube Premium. I often hear "I'd rather pay a small amount and not get ads", but when provided with that, they then resort to some other excuse to still use ad-block.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by ehsankia »

pacamara619 wrote: post #332
dennisy wrote: post #259

There are people whose living is made from YouTube and it’s advertising component. Whilst I would personally prefer videos with no ads, is this not stealing? I would be very interested to hear this groups view on why this is morally ok. Also what alternatives there should be to an ad revenue model for YouTube type sites.

There is absolutely nothing virtuous in watching ads. Nothing. If you want to support someone, buy their product or give them money.

It's not about virtue, is about you getting a service, and paying something in return. If you don't want to pay with your attention, you have the option of getting Youtube Premium and paying with your wallet insted.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by user234683 »

2bitencryption wrote: post #104

something I've always wondered: why hasn't anyone built a fully-featured desktop Youtube front-end experience? With, like, borderless floating video (a la Firefox's floating video feature), dimming the desktop, a search experience that doesn't bombard you with clickbait garbage, etc? it seems like Youtube.com is really just a fancy mp4 player, targeting static video content. does Youtube actively do anything to preve…

> does Youtube actively do anything to prevent such clients from existing?

Not really, no. Though they took some kind of legal action against Hooktube I remember.

> Will they one day change the service so the video stream urls are generated randomly, or obfuscated, and break every 3rd party client?

They already do this to some extent for videos with copyrighted content, but it's not very aggressive and has long been reverse-engineered and dealt with. They use a series of three string transformations like reversal, replacing a single letter, etc. on an alphanumeric signature parameter. The sequence of transformations varies per video but can be extracted from the Javascript source using regular expressions.

Here are some available clients I know of. I do not know if there any that use floating videos or dim the desktop as you say:

mps-youtube (terminal-only): https://github.com/mps-youtube/mps-youtube

youtube-viewer: https://github.com/trizen/youtube-viewer

FreeTube (which uses the invidious API): https://github.com/FreeTubeApp/FreeTube

Invidious: https://invidio.us/, https://github.com/iv-org/invidious

youtube-local (my project): https://github.com/user234683/youtube-local

smtube: https://www.smtube.org/

Minitube: https://flavio.tordini.org/minitube, https://github.com/flaviotordini/minitube

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by colordrops »

ehsankia wrote: post #336
colordrops wrote: post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your analogy is flawed in that there are likely laws protecting used of the water of that fountain. Not so with an open service on the internet. Further more, it's not an ocean sized fountain run by a monopolistic corporation and one of the only places to get water, with simple technology to restrict who can get water if the corporation so decided.

> in that there are likely laws protecting used of the water of that fountain We're talking about unethical , not illegal .

Right, that's covered by the second part of the post that was not quoted by you.
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