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Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by glenstein »

dmos62 wrote: post #178
drewg123 wrote: post #18

This is the best youtube client, bar none. It keeps local history and "subscriptions" without requiring you to log in to google. I use it on an Amazon Fire Tablet. There seems to be no iOS equivalent, which is one of the things preventing me from upgrading to an iPad. Has anybody used it recently on AndroidTV / FireTV? I've tried it several times in the past, and its always been wonky there. I use SmartYouTubeTV ( ht…

I've had it on my phone for some time, but 75% of the time it fails to play the video, complaining that it failed to parse the video page, or something similar. With youtube-dl, you have to keep it updated for it to not crash with similar errors, so might be a question of updates not being regular enough (I use F-Droid to update it). Also, suggestion capabilities of Youtube are very high. I'll always be coming back f…

>but 75% of the time it fails to play the video

I would quibble with that. It's really all or nothing. Youtube changes something, NewPipe breaks entirely. Then NewPipe is updated, and it works perfectly again.

I like NewPipe, but in practice this means you just have to accept that there will be stretches, a few days or a week long, where it just doesn't work at all.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by dheifidjeh »

dotBen wrote: post #253
JulianWasTaken wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This argument is as old as time, and the counterpoint is simply "it's revenue they were not getting regardless". Those of us who don't want to see ads ever, for any reason aren't stealing or harming anyone, we simply don't want to see ads -- saying "well don't use the service" is not all of a sudden getting the creators back any revenue, and no, if there's interesting stuff on YouTube, I'm going to use it, and do so…

While I support the sentiment, you know that's not how all advertising works? CPM ads mean the publisher makes money because you saw the ad, regardless of whether you clicked on it (CPC). Even if you never click an ad or buy anything from an ad, you are still helping the publisher make money.

Wrong. It means the ad played not that it was actually viewed. Most people don't sit through ads and just ignore them.

If you ignore ads but don't block them you're helping the publisher steal from the client. Personally I think that's wrong.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by glenstein »

osamagirl69 wrote: post #222

I absolutely love newpipe, and use it exclusively over the youtube app on android. On a similar note - I also have found invidious [1] to be so much better than the normal youtube web frontend, and use it almost exclusively for my desktop youtube usage. It might be an unfair comparison because I am not a google user and the youtube website is terrible for non-logged-in users, but for us it is an absolute godsend. I a…

Invidious is grand. I think the missing killer feature that I want is to long into invidious via NewPipe.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by colordrops »

umvi wrote: post #310
colordrops wrote: post #303

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If there's a publicly exposed service with no authentication or security in place, it is not the fault of an individual for using it. It's clearly not illegal, and neither is it unethical. If YouTube wants to protect their service from unauthorized use, they are perfectly capable of doing so.

One time when I lived in Rome, I was near Ostia and I saw a public water fountain. The funny thing though was that someone had attached a water hose to the water output and then ran the hose into their house. Free water! "If there's a publicly exposed service with no authentication or security in place, it is not the fault of an individual for using it. It's clearly not illegal, and neither is it unethical. If [the c…

Your analogy is flawed in that there are likely laws protecting used of the water of that fountain. Not so with an open service on the internet.

Further more, it's not an ocean sized fountain run by a monopolistic corporation and one of the only places to get water, with simple technology to restrict who can get water if the corporation so decided.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by godot »

I used this a bit on a previous Android phone I had. (I still use Android, but am on a newer one now) It sounds good in theory but had a lot of rough edges that made me just go back to regular Youtube. I remember running into a lot of hiccups going full screen and not full screen, or rotating screens, or moving forward or backward on a video. Nothing was completely breaking but it was all minor issues like switching between full screen and not either stops a video or throws you back etc. Maybe I never got used to it.

And most of all, and this is weird to admit on HN, I kind of enjoy Youtube's algorithm of recommending videos -- it actually presents content that I would be interested in. Every time I opened Newpipe it was just a random mishmash of stuff, maybe it's what's on the default Youtube homepage or something, but it's never something I'm interested in. It's nice for when I want to explicitly search for something to watch, but not if I want to just open up the app and tap some random video to start watching.

I'll just add a side note that I don't watch political videos or anything and it's not about echo chamber or bubbles. I just watch videos about old video games (think AVGN etc.) or listen to music by artists I enjoy, and those are the videos that show up on my Youtube which is nice.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by habitue »

jraph wrote: post #270
benhurmarcel wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would it be forbidden by Apple to publish a similar app for iOS?

Even in a world where Apple does not prevent YouTube alternative clients in its app store, it would probably prevent alternative clients for its own services. Or, an app that would go as far as doing such deviant things as providing its own custom web engine and allow an iPad 2 to remain relevant and useful in 2020.

yeah exactly. Apple might allow an app like this, but it's only because Youtube is not theirs.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by glenstein »

dotBen wrote: post #253
JulianWasTaken wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This argument is as old as time, and the counterpoint is simply "it's revenue they were not getting regardless". Those of us who don't want to see ads ever, for any reason aren't stealing or harming anyone, we simply don't want to see ads -- saying "well don't use the service" is not all of a sudden getting the creators back any revenue, and no, if there's interesting stuff on YouTube, I'm going to use it, and do so…

While I support the sentiment, you know that's not how all advertising works? CPM ads mean the publisher makes money because you saw the ad, regardless of whether you clicked on it (CPC). Even if you never click an ad or buy anything from an ad, you are still helping the publisher make money.

I didn't read them as saying anything about refraining from clicking ads. I took them to be saying they will avoid ads entirely, not viewing them but not clicking.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by koheripbal »

1f60c wrote: post #224
toastercat wrote: post #61

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Is there a meta area to discuss "astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents and the like", or do we just pretend they don't exist?

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by ativzzz »

VikingCoder wrote: post #139
toohotatopic wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which part of the terms does it violate?

https://www.youtube.com/static?template=terms#ad6952fd3c Under the heading, "Permissions and Restrictions": > The following restrictions apply to your use of the Service. You are not allowed to: > 1. access, reproduce, download, distribute, transmit, broadcast, display, sell, license, alter, modify or otherwise use any part of the Service or any Content except: (a) as expressly authorized by the Service; or (b) with…

The users using 3rd party apps don't violate any of these terms (I'm sure you could argue it both ways depending on the specific legal terms depending on the context; IANAL). The app itself is probably violating some of these terms, but for the end users, they are not doing any of the things described, they are just using the app.

I think this is just one of those cases where copyright/IP law moves too slowly compared to the technology it tries to cover.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by morrbo »

unleashit wrote: post #189
drewg123 wrote: post #18

This is the best youtube client, bar none. It keeps local history and "subscriptions" without requiring you to log in to google. I use it on an Amazon Fire Tablet. There seems to be no iOS equivalent, which is one of the things preventing me from upgrading to an iPad. Has anybody used it recently on AndroidTV / FireTV? I've tried it several times in the past, and its always been wonky there. I use SmartYouTubeTV ( ht…

It works well for me on Android TV with Nvidia Shield. At one point I noticed after a Newpipe upgrade I couldn't get the cursor to go down to the list of videos. So I downgraded for a couple of weeks. Then when the next version came out I tried it and it was fine again. One weird thing I noticed was that I used to be able to get a mouse style cursor with the right stick, but that stopped working at some point. Not su…

I use Smart YouTube TV on the shield, same thing but works a lot better with the controller and tvs in general
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