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Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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Not sure where you're from, but in many places, "society and government" has not failed people the same way it has in the US. Even within the US there are some places where local and state government have performed much better than places like Florida or NYC. That is to say, the problem is not, conceptually, "society and government", but instead, the American society and American government we have today. Don't give…

Withdrawing and becoming independent from state systems isn't giving up; it's probably a first step towards a more organic, liberated society.

the action can have a variety of impetuses, but @eaandkw literally stated they're giving up.

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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No, the federal government we have is the result of our outdated, quirky and flawed electoral system, where the votes of certain states are much more valuable than others.

The system you describe only applies to Presidential elections. The federal government is a lot more than just the President, and so are its problems.

The Senate is also broken (Wyoming with 500k == California with 39M people).

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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No, the federal government we have is the result of our outdated, quirky and flawed electoral system, where the votes of certain states are much more valuable than others.

Trump did not lose the popular vote. There is no contest for the popular vote. Perhaps one party should try moving a bit to campaign according to the actual contest at hand, rather than try to rewrite the rules. You assume the Democrats would win a popular vote easily. First, Republicans would actually campaign in California for a change. They might even move left a tad on some issues. Democrats might decide it's the…

> Trump did not lose the popular vote.

Dear god, do facts not matter at all? He absolutely lost the popular vote. He won the election through the electoral college. It's the system we have and it's what determines the election but to say he didn't lost the popular vote is false and revisionist.

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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Sweden's strategy is looking more sensible every day (with the exception of failing to isolate nursing homes, which was a blunder). Their excess mortality rate is back to zero, and they never closed schools for a day.

Once President-Elect Biden pronounces this strategy on November 4th (with universal acclaim from the media and all corners of the ruling class), you can point to your comment from today and get some more downvotes!

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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The Los Angelos teachers added a few other requests [1]. The introduction starts with: [...] LAUSD educators clearly want to get back into schools with their students, but the underlying question at every step must be: Given broader societal conditions, how do we open physical schools in a way that ensures that the benefit outweigh the risks [...] And then proceeds to the following recommendations, among many others:…

I don't understand the logic around the left's hatred of charters. Parents choose to send their kids there - if the existing public school was so good, why would they send them somewhere else? It's simply about choice, and sending your own kids to the best possible option. No one would ever deny their own children the best possible education available. It's so clearly about administrators and professionals over the n…

I went to a high school in Cali that was converted to a charter school. As far as I could tell, the main change was that they kicked out all the kids with poor grades or other problems. That is the polar opposite of "choice", it was about increasing inequality and it was completely disgusting.

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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The Los Angelos teachers added a few other requests [1]. The introduction starts with: [...] LAUSD educators clearly want to get back into schools with their students, but the underlying question at every step must be: Given broader societal conditions, how do we open physical schools in a way that ensures that the benefit outweigh the risks [...] And then proceeds to the following recommendations, among many others:…

I don't understand the logic around the left's hatred of charters. Parents choose to send their kids there - if the existing public school was so good, why would they send them somewhere else? It's simply about choice, and sending your own kids to the best possible option. No one would ever deny their own children the best possible education available. It's so clearly about administrators and professionals over the n…

People don't appreciate how money is diverted from already underfunded public schools to charter schools.

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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Good. The current state of the world is incredibly unnatural when you compare it to even 50 years ago. Everything is too connected. We are so much more efficient, but so much more fragile. The best thing you can do to save the world is save yourself and your family. Less fragility, more robustness at the personal / local level. I am mid twenties, and was homeschooled my entire childhood. My father owned a technology…

How do parents help their kids learn once they reach middle school or high school level and the materials get more challenging? I understand that many good online courses exist but they are not full substitutes of in-person discussions and personalized feedback for essays, for example. It can take quite a bit of time to understand or even review materials. Some families might not have the necessary background as well…

You learn with them, basically. Or you find other people in your community that can help. I’m not sure about others but most people don’t homeschool in isolation.

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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Strong statement: dumb kids are better than dead kids.

There are 74 million children CDC says that 1.7% of COVID cases belong to children. [2] Among children, CDC says 1.8% of cases required hospitalization. [2] >>> 74000000*0.017*0.018 A dumb kid is better than a dead kid, I agree. But are 74M dumber kids worth less than 25000 ICU visits in the entire country? [1]: https://www.childtrends.org/indicators/number-of-children [2]: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm69…

The hospitalization numbers show the majority of them were under 1 year of age, who would not be attending school. This according to your link [2]

>> Among 95 children aged And of course the number of children infected would be much lower than "all 74 million".

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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They haven't insisted on that. Quite the opposite, they have insisted they want to return to school. I have talked to them about the pandemic and they understand people are getting sick.

Ah yes, because people under the age of 25 are renowned for their long term thinking, risk assessment, and ability to understand their own mortality. Granted people older than that seem to be struggling a bit too.

We're currently letting kids go through HRT - that hits on all of the same points.

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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The Los Angelos teachers added a few other requests [1]. The introduction starts with: [...] LAUSD educators clearly want to get back into schools with their students, but the underlying question at every step must be: Given broader societal conditions, how do we open physical schools in a way that ensures that the benefit outweigh the risks [...] And then proceeds to the following recommendations, among many others:…

I don't understand the logic around the left's hatred of charters. Parents choose to send their kids there - if the existing public school was so good, why would they send them somewhere else? It's simply about choice, and sending your own kids to the best possible option. No one would ever deny their own children the best possible education available. It's so clearly about administrators and professionals over the n…

Anti-charter sentiment is a union (teacher union) protecting itself. The left is along for the ride, because it's the same "tribe", but this is 100% driven by an organization protecting itself against competition.
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