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Bloomberg chief editor: We publish too many mediocre and long enterprise stories

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Re: Bloomberg chief editor: We publish too many mediocre and long enterprise stories

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I have the opposite experience. For example, they had a cover page article a about the global housing bubble in 2005. https://www.economist.com/special-report/2005/06/16/in-come-...

You can go back further. They were writing articles about this in 03 and 04. They aren't right about everything but they will publish stuff about high valuations, etc. Also, just generally, they aren't particularly "neoliberal" (I am not quite sure what that means but okay). Since the editor switch, there has been a massive, massive change in style (I have been reading since the early 2000s...Mickelthwait, the guy in…

I think the Economist is pretty much the definition of neoliberal (in the old sense, before it acquired all the negative connotations). "Liberal goals, conservative means" is my over-simplified definition.

A leftist would have the government build housing for the poor. A conservative would let the poor fend for themselves or rely on charity. A neo-liberal would tweak the rules so that market builds housing for the poor.

Re: Bloomberg chief editor: We publish too many mediocre and long enterprise stories

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This is merely a consequence of SEO. Have you tried searching for recipes? It's absolutely miserable. I don't need irrelevant life stories-- show me the ingredient list and instructions.

The SEO implications definitely have a massive influence on it, but it's also a consequence of copyright law. A recipe in and of itself isn't copyrightable, but recipes fluffed up with a bunch of prose may qualify as a literary work and the recipe itself gains copyright protection as a component of that literary work[1]. [1] "How do I protect my recipe?" section of https://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-protect.html

I’ve heard this several times, but as far as I know this only means a person wouldn’t be able to copy the whole work, but that they’d still be absolutely allowed to extract/copy the recipe itself (in the form of the ingredients and the steps needed to make the food)

Re: Bloomberg chief editor: We publish too many mediocre and long enterprise stories

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Copyright applies to the prose itself, though—the word choice and ordering. A site like the one I'm describing doesn't have to use the same words the original site uses. In fact, I'd really hope it wouldn't, since these sites almost never use a standardized vocabulary, and in fact try as hard as they can to make their recipes into interesting prose (i.e. using a different word in reference to something each time they…

Copyright applies to the literary work as a whole, and protects derivative works based on it[1]. In this case it's true the derivative work (the recipe) wouldn't be copyrightable, but that doesn't absolve it from being considered a copyright violation of the original work. If you can show you independently created that recipe, then you're protected from the above assertion that it was a derivative of that copyrighted…

Aren't prose recipes a kind of program source-code; and aren't the underlying ideas of their steps, algorithms? The law says you can copyright source code, but not a program's underlying algorithmic semantics[1].

What I'm talking about here, is effectively "extracting the semantics of someone else's source code/recipe, in a way where humans are "firewalled off" from the particulars of the original prose of the code/recipe; and then using the described semantics to write your own code/recipe that has those same semantics."

This is explicitly something that's been decided as not copyright-infringing; which is why IP lawyers have to go after cases where there was literal plagiarism of source code, however small.

The big example of this is Google v. Oracle, where API header files used in Android were literally plagiarized from OpenJDK. Google argued that this was fair use, as there was essentially no other form these files could take while retaining Java compatibility. But this argument was shut down/never resolved in their favor.

All Google had to do, in the end, to avoid infringement, was to do a ground-up rewrite of those Android API header files (which ended up almost exactly the same as they were before the rewrite.) Note that they still rewrote them using an understanding of the bare facts that those header files contain, that could only have been gained by reading the original header files themselves. And yet the new derivative work, being "not literally plagiarism", was no longer considered an infringing derivative work.

[1] You can patent algorithms (sort of, as business processes), but that's a different thing. Nobody's ever going to sue a recipe website for patent infringement, even if they described Nestle's patented chocolate-enrobing technique, because a description of a patented process is not a use of that patent. Patents are inherently public information, and people can share and reprint the information in them around all they like. Instead, a patent owner would only sue other companies who used the patented technique for commercial gain, for not first acquiring a license for the patented technique. (Google never sued bloggers for describing the PageRank algorithm; but up until last year, Google did sue other search-engine companies for implementing PageRank without a license.)

Re: Bloomberg chief editor: We publish too many mediocre and long enterprise stories

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The point of the chief editor is so true that I'm surprised to read that from them. I have noticed that a lot of times with this kind of web media. - You have a clickbait title like this: "How a normal guy managed to hack WallStreet with a simple pen" - Then, you have one page of interesting introduction on the topic but without the reply to the title question. "In november 2018, WallStreet was busy with the introduc…

This is merely a consequence of SEO. Have you tried searching for recipes? It's absolutely miserable. I don't need irrelevant life stories-- show me the ingredient list and instructions.

And yet somehow, the top-ranking results for everything seems to be spam that breaks all the rules. I'm constantly disappointed by how ad-infested the search results are. It's really hard to get a direct answer nowadays.

Re: Bloomberg chief editor: We publish too many mediocre and long enterprise stories

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Oh, are they finally apologizing (or providing proof for) their story The Big Hack about chips the size of a grain of rice China puts in computers made by Dell and Apple and others? No? Not a word about it? It’s almost like they’re continuing to pretend that their giant journalistic screwup doesn’t exist. Don’t care. ‘Are articles are too long’. How about yours articles are untrustworthy?

I'd love to be corrected with primary source but as far as I can ingest from all the recent article's I'm reading, Bloomberg is also the only source that started the whole China is falsifying its covid numbers narrative based on what "the U.S. intelligence community concluded in a classified report to the White House, according to three U.S. officials. The officials asked not to be identified because the report is se…

>https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/04/china-wuhan-revises-c...

Here’s a very unbloomberg source article that says that China underreported deaths by 50%.

Re: Bloomberg chief editor: We publish too many mediocre and long enterprise stories

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The point of the chief editor is so true that I'm surprised to read that from them. I have noticed that a lot of times with this kind of web media. - You have a clickbait title like this: "How a normal guy managed to hack WallStreet with a simple pen" - Then, you have one page of interesting introduction on the topic but without the reply to the title question. "In november 2018, WallStreet was busy with the introduc…

There is a subreddit on reddit specifically for these types of articles, called savedyouaclick. Their number one rule is that the link title must repeat the article's payoff. Then you can decide if you still want to read the long article. https://www.reddit.com/r/savedyouaclick/

That’s kind of amazing and is an entirely different experience to our typical consumption of media.

Re: Bloomberg chief editor: We publish too many mediocre and long enterprise stories

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The point of the chief editor is so true that I'm surprised to read that from them. I have noticed that a lot of times with this kind of web media. - You have a clickbait title like this: "How a normal guy managed to hack WallStreet with a simple pen" - Then, you have one page of interesting introduction on the topic but without the reply to the title question. "In november 2018, WallStreet was busy with the introduc…

In case someone wants an example of an actual published story that looks like this, here's one from the NY Times: https://www.wsj.com/articles/who-is-the-mystery-shopper-leav... 1100 words to answer the titular question, which really only needed a paragraph or two.

That shone a light on a browser habit I've started to do. If I see an article I want to read, I generally don't bother reading it like a normal human:

1) reading the bullet list of TLDR points at the top and becz I'm sooo buzy with stuff to do, hit the back button.

2) reading the whole article trying to get past all the drivel to get to the 'good stuff'.

No.. I immediately skip at least 2-4 paragraphs and start doing a search for words that are in my just created inverted-index of the title. Yeah... I've turned into a mini-google borg subnode processing unit :/

Inevitable as others have pointed out, it's just one sentence that is what I'm looking for and I leave disappointed. sigh

Re: Bloomberg chief editor: We publish too many mediocre and long enterprise stories

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post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The SEO implications definitely have a massive influence on it, but it's also a consequence of copyright law. A recipe in and of itself isn't copyrightable, but recipes fluffed up with a bunch of prose may qualify as a literary work and the recipe itself gains copyright protection as a component of that literary work[1]. [1] "How do I protect my recipe?" section of https://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-protect.html

I’ve heard this several times, but as far as I know this only means a person wouldn’t be able to copy the whole work, but that they’d still be absolutely allowed to extract/copy the recipe itself (in the form of the ingredients and the steps needed to make the food)

I can't speak to other forms of copyrights, but literary copyrights also protect derivative works[1].

It'd likely be hard to prove for isolated incidences or sufficiently generic recipes, but but if someone extracted and republished recipes en masse, you could establish that they're deriving those recipes from your works and violating your copyright.

Edit: See my comment here[1] for more details and an example of the issue you run into, particularly with the "steps" component.

[1] https://copyright.uslegal.com/enumerated-categories-of-copyr...

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23874340

Re: Bloomberg chief editor: We publish too many mediocre and long enterprise stories

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sorry, but it sounds like a conspiracy theory

Because it is. It has been proposed though. I think the only way this could be true is if Tim Cook and many security folks at Apple either failed to detect the exploit, or they did and are all "in on it" and essentially lying about adherence to a core company value. The requirement of perfect secrecy and vast involvement in a lie is what typically weakens conspiracy theories as not realistic.

Who says they are all in on it?

And media has held back articles several times due to govt request - maybe this one just got through.

Not saying I'm right - only saying it's possible.

Re: Bloomberg chief editor: We publish too many mediocre and long enterprise stories

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The point of the chief editor is so true that I'm surprised to read that from them. I have noticed that a lot of times with this kind of web media. - You have a clickbait title like this: "How a normal guy managed to hack WallStreet with a simple pen" - Then, you have one page of interesting introduction on the topic but without the reply to the title question. "In november 2018, WallStreet was busy with the introduc…

This is merely a consequence of SEO. Have you tried searching for recipes? It's absolutely miserable. I don't need irrelevant life stories-- show me the ingredient list and instructions.

https://plainoldrecipe.com/
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