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Bloomberg chief editor: We publish too many mediocre and long enterprise stories

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Re: Bloomberg chief editor: We publish too many mediocre and long enterprise stories

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The point of the chief editor is so true that I'm surprised to read that from them. I have noticed that a lot of times with this kind of web media. - You have a clickbait title like this: "How a normal guy managed to hack WallStreet with a simple pen" - Then, you have one page of interesting introduction on the topic but without the reply to the title question. "In november 2018, WallStreet was busy with the introduc…

This is merely a consequence of SEO. Have you tried searching for recipes? It's absolutely miserable. I don't need irrelevant life stories-- show me the ingredient list and instructions.

The SEO implications definitely have a massive influence on it, but it's also a consequence of copyright law. A recipe in and of itself isn't copyrightable, but recipes fluffed up with a bunch of prose may qualify as a literary work and the recipe itself gains copyright protection as a component of that literary work[1].

[1] "How do I protect my recipe?" section of https://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-protect.html

Re: Bloomberg chief editor: We publish too many mediocre and long enterprise stories

#132

The point of the chief editor is so true that I'm surprised to read that from them. I have noticed that a lot of times with this kind of web media. - You have a clickbait title like this: "How a normal guy managed to hack WallStreet with a simple pen" - Then, you have one page of interesting introduction on the topic but without the reply to the title question. "In november 2018, WallStreet was busy with the introduc…

This is merely a consequence of SEO. Have you tried searching for recipes? It's absolutely miserable. I don't need irrelevant life stories-- show me the ingredient list and instructions.

As I've been saying for a while, Google is more vulnerable than at any time in the last 20 years. It no longer has much to offer. There's an opening for someone with good execution...

Re: Bloomberg chief editor: We publish too many mediocre and long enterprise stories

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I've always wondered why someone isn't going around taking other people's SEO-fluffed recipes and just re-formatting them onto standalone fluff-less pages, with good, standardized formatting: • an ingredients table rather than an ingredients list (i.e. where quantity, unit, and ingredient name are columns; and quantity is right-aligned, like any other numeric column in Excel); with sensible units that don't assume th…

> I've always wondered why someone isn't going around taking other people's SEO-fluffed recipes and just re-formatting them onto standalone fluff-less pages, with good, standardized formatting: Because they'd likely run afoul of copyright laws. A recipe in and of itself doesn't generally qualify for copyright protection, but a recipe cushioned in prose can be a copyrighted literary work. So anyone ripping the recipe…

Copyright applies to the prose itself, though—the word choice and ordering.

A site like the one I'm describing doesn't have to use the same words the original site uses. In fact, I'd really hope it wouldn't, since these sites almost never use a standardized vocabulary, and in fact try as hard as they can to make their recipes into interesting prose (i.e. using a different word in reference to something each time they reference it) at the expense of clarity.

The "boiled-down form" of these recipes, would look less like prose text, and more like an RDF graph linking ingredient-noun vertices together using action-verb edges.

In fact, now that I think about it, it could probably be stored in a format machine-readable enough to function equally well as machinima choreography for a "cooking simulator", i.e. an HTML5 canvas app with an engine approximating a cooking game (e.g. Cooking Mama) but without the "game" part.

Such a "timeline view" of the recipe could actually keep track of the collection of pots/pans/bowls/etc. required in the recipe, and then visually display the current state of what's in each of them at each step, as you scroll through each step in the recipe's timeline. Like a visual debugger, for food.

The textual representation of the recipe would just be generated from that same non-textual data format, via a simple structured NLP rule-set. (Yes, you could instead throw the sort of algorithms they're using to generate baseball news coverage[1] at the problem, but we want standardized text, not stylized text.) Bonus: i18n for free. The normalized recipe data isn't "in" any language, so it's equally easy to write a ruleset for generating recipe-step prose that is in any language.

The resultant text of such a generative process shouldn't be copyright-infringing, even if it matched some other recipe word-for-word by coincidence. When you "extract" only the bare facts from a work and discard the rest, you're not making a derivative work; a work of yours that employs those "extracted" facts is not a derivative of the source of those facts. (If it were, then every summary or review of a work, would be in violation of the copyright of the work it's summarizing or reviewing, since the bare facts referenced were gleaned from the original work.)

[1] https://venturebeat.com/2016/07/01/associated-press-expands-...

Re: Bloomberg chief editor: We publish too many mediocre and long enterprise stories

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I find it to slavishly neoliberal. I used to read The Economist, then in the build up to 2008 when according to them all the growth was actual real growth, the system was fine, and banks knew what they were doing. I no longer read it.

I have the opposite experience. For example, they had a cover page article a about the global housing bubble in 2005. https://www.economist.com/special-report/2005/06/16/in-come-...

You can go back further. They were writing articles about this in 03 and 04. They aren't right about everything but they will publish stuff about high valuations, etc.

Also, just generally, they aren't particularly "neoliberal" (I am not quite sure what that means but okay). Since the editor switch, there has been a massive, massive change in style (I have been reading since the early 2000s...Mickelthwait, the guy in the OP, was actually the best...he is a legend).

Re: Bloomberg chief editor: We publish too many mediocre and long enterprise stories

#135

The point of the chief editor is so true that I'm surprised to read that from them. I have noticed that a lot of times with this kind of web media. - You have a clickbait title like this: "How a normal guy managed to hack WallStreet with a simple pen" - Then, you have one page of interesting introduction on the topic but without the reply to the title question. "In november 2018, WallStreet was busy with the introduc…

This is merely a consequence of SEO. Have you tried searching for recipes? It's absolutely miserable. I don't need irrelevant life stories-- show me the ingredient list and instructions.

"show me the ingredient list and instructions."

YES! I don't want your backstory. I don't want to be mean but I'm just not that interested in you Mr./Ms. random Internet poster. I would often just close the tab if I see these recipes. I didn't realize it was because of SEO. I thought it was some ego thing among the writers.

This site has recipes in exactly the format I want and it is to the point: http://www.cookingforengineers.com/

Re: Bloomberg chief editor: We publish too many mediocre and long enterprise stories

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post #82

The point of the chief editor is so true that I'm surprised to read that from them. I have noticed that a lot of times with this kind of web media. - You have a clickbait title like this: "How a normal guy managed to hack WallStreet with a simple pen" - Then, you have one page of interesting introduction on the topic but without the reply to the title question. "In november 2018, WallStreet was busy with the introduc…

Ive noticed the clickfarm agglomerated story style has infected what is supposed to be professional journalism. Some hallmarks of this style include - paragraphs are one sentence long - there isnt so much an order or train of thought, just a vomit of quotes - implying random quotes equate some kind of consensus or prevailing sentiment in group thought - an article that isnt anything more than the bunch of embedded qu…

Another annoying trait of padded out news stories:

"President Trump tweeted today that '...[full quote of tweet]...'" then inevitably followed by a screenshot (or two!) of the tweet, often together with a caption that repeats the whole tweet again.

Why does every news article about a tweet have to include a screenshot of the tweet, when you quoted the whole damn thing in the main story? These pictures don't paint a thousand words...

Re: Bloomberg chief editor: We publish too many mediocre and long enterprise stories

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This is merely a consequence of SEO. Have you tried searching for recipes? It's absolutely miserable. I don't need irrelevant life stories-- show me the ingredient list and instructions.

"show me the ingredient list and instructions." YES! I don't want your backstory. I don't want to be mean but I'm just not that interested in you Mr./Ms. random Internet poster. I would often just close the tab if I see these recipes. I didn't realize it was because of SEO. I thought it was some ego thing among the writers. This site has recipes in exactly the format I want and it is to the point: http://www.cookingf…

I just about fell out of my seat when I first found that "for engineers" recipe format a few years ago, as it's almost exactly how I jot recipes down. List of ingredients, then a }-style paren of subgroups with instructions what to do with them, cascading off to the right. Years and years of doing that, and boom, there it is almost verbatim, totally independently developed by someone else.

Re: Bloomberg chief editor: We publish too many mediocre and long enterprise stories

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Articles in The Economist are usually a better investment of my time. I was originally introduced to the magazine by a teacher in high school, but I've come to learn that many other people weren't as fortunate. https://www.economist.com/

The guy in the OP was one of the most legendary editors of the Economist (he has also written some very good books).

You have to separate the wheat from the chaff with Bloomberg. When Mickelthwait came in, BBG's public stuff was utterly dire. They have improved significantly. Have they gone too Business Insider? Yes. But they have improved significantly from where they were.

Re: Bloomberg chief editor: We publish too many mediocre and long enterprise stories

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As you scroll that's more opportunities to show you ads.

Sure for the sites that show ads. But I'm taking about the ones where they literally just put the story in to rank higher in search results. The ones just doing it to share their recipe.

Some people legit just enjoy reading & writing that content.

Re: Bloomberg chief editor: We publish too many mediocre and long enterprise stories

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post #129

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> I've always wondered why someone isn't going around taking other people's SEO-fluffed recipes and just re-formatting them onto standalone fluff-less pages, with good, standardized formatting: Because they'd likely run afoul of copyright laws. A recipe in and of itself doesn't generally qualify for copyright protection, but a recipe cushioned in prose can be a copyrighted literary work. So anyone ripping the recipe…

Copyright applies to the prose itself, though—the word choice and ordering. A site like the one I'm describing doesn't have to use the same words the original site uses. In fact, I'd really hope it wouldn't, since these sites almost never use a standardized vocabulary, and in fact try as hard as they can to make their recipes into interesting prose (i.e. using a different word in reference to something each time they…

Copyright applies to the literary work as a whole, and protects derivative works based on it[1].

In this case it's true the derivative work (the recipe) wouldn't be copyrightable, but that doesn't absolve it from being considered a copyright violation of the original work.

If you can show you independently created that recipe, then you're protected from the above assertion that it was a derivative of that copyrighted work. But if you're compiling a database of normalized recipes via scraping recipe content online, it'd be pretty easy for a copyright holder to establish this argument doesn't hold water.

[1] https://copyright.uslegal.com/enumerated-categories-of-copyr...

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