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NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by toastercat »

namdnay wrote: post #73
toastercat wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's certainly not a popular opinion, but it's definitely an uninformed opinion. The aim of NewPipe is not to "stick it to the man" or even to advertisers, it's to create a superior viewing experience that removes much of the bloat of Youtube's official app, and also being light on system resources. Whereas the official app used to crash and warm up my Moto G5 Plus, NewPipe has been running like a dream for years.

Well yeah but it also removes ads... which are how content creators and the people who build and maintain the platform infrastructure make a living.

Well yeah, but the parent comment was missing the forest for the trees. The value of using such an app exceeds beyond its ad-blocking features.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by kbenson »

II2II wrote: post #68
sjroot wrote: post #32

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Most likely. I understand the appeal of these types of applications but it really just comes off as entitled IMO. Just watch the ads to support the content creators you care about - it isn’t that hard. I imagine this will be an unpopular opinion here though.

As entitled as it may be, I will assert my right to limit the data I send to Google. It is a mistake to assume that everyone blocks ads because they do not want to watch ads. In my case, it is playing a game of damage control with a major corporation that has the ability to connect my activities across much of the web. Other people legitimately point to the cost of bandwidth. I am sure that other reasons exist. It is…

> It is also to the benefit if creators if they diversify their revenue streams.

Watching content on YouTube while blocking ads does not encourage creators to go to other platforms. You've already consumed their product, thus lessening demand, so there's less reason to put it on another platform. It's not likely you'll go watch it on Vimeo after they upload it there when you've already seen it on YouTube.

Creators may be better off with a donation and merchandise revenue stream. Describing your actions as "benefitting" them by helping them see this by depriving them of revenue from you for their content is a slightly odd take though.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by sudosysgen »

Sebb767 wrote: post #77
WrtCdEvrydy wrote: post #56

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If I could guarantee the ad revenue went to the creator and not a company hitting the creator with bullshit strikes, sure!

You mean the company paying for the storage, conversion, bandwidth, global availability and upkeep? I mean, the creator should have its share, but it's not like YouTube does nothing.

No, a company such as Sony Entertainment or the like that takes all of the ad revenue from a melody that vaguely resembles a copyrighted song.

Yes, that happens.

Otherwise, there's no issue with YouTube getting add money.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by toastercat »

rtcoms wrote: post #10

Somewhere I read that using such apps may get your account blocked by google. not sure how much truth in that, but I've avoided using such apps because of that.

I've been using it on my Android phone for over 3 years, while always being signed into Google. Never had any issues.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by fireattack »

I have tried NewPipe, but I guess I'm not its target user.

I use YouTube frequently, but I almost always just watch my subscriptions.

By not having a login system, it is basically rendered useless despite how nice it is to be ad-free and having a much cleaner UI

(I knew you can import subscription, but I sub and unsub channels constantly so it becomes a pain very quickly.)

I'm currently using YouTube Vanced instead.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by drbacon »

izacus wrote: post #51
GaryNumanVevo wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Counterpoint: the amount of advertisements needed to sustain video production ultimately hinders the value of the video. If I'm watching an hour long video about X, and I have to watch 40 mid-roll ads, I'm way more likely to turn it off. I'd much rather directly support creators via Patreon, and Adblock everything else.

YouTube Premium will not show any Ads. You just need to pay for the service you're receiving. Since when is that an unreasonable ask?

The entitlement among the general population is a little nuts. We expect things for free, without ads, and with high reliability. In this case we also want additional features like not logging in, downloads and background playback. Side note: Is it any wonder that journalism is dying when no one wants to pay for it (or be subject to advertising)?

YouTube is asking that their users either watch ads or pay money. That's how YouTube and creators can keep the lights on. I think that's a fair model. There are other models, like Vimeo, where the uploader pays for the hosting.

It certainly seems like the future is one where we expect access to everything and pay for nothing. That worries me.

/soapbox

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by tux1968 »

namdnay wrote: post #73
toastercat wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's certainly not a popular opinion, but it's definitely an uninformed opinion. The aim of NewPipe is not to "stick it to the man" or even to advertisers, it's to create a superior viewing experience that removes much of the bloat of Youtube's official app, and also being light on system resources. Whereas the official app used to crash and warm up my Moto G5 Plus, NewPipe has been running like a dream for years.

Well yeah but it also removes ads... which are how content creators and the people who build and maintain the platform infrastructure make a living.

Not that it addresses paying for the infrastructure, but many of the creators I watch are now reading ad copy within their videos and are otherwise sponsored directly.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by drbacon »

pas wrote: post #54
izacus wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

YouTube Premium will not show any Ads. You just need to pay for the service you're receiving. Since when is that an unreasonable ask?

[Could anyone who downvoted izacus' comment explain why?]

Ha! People are downvoting your comment too. I am also interested in a civil discussion about why people believe they are entitled to the content and service without contributing back. Maybe downvotes are easier than thoughtful replies.

Re: NewPipe – ad-free, open-source Android YouTube client

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Post by bsdubernerd »

kbenson wrote: post #75
bsdubernerd wrote: post #47

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I'm happy to support content creators with patreon when they offer a way to do so. _Especially_ when they offer a way to see their videos off YouTube. I'd never pay a dime for YT itself due to their policies and overall platform. I mostly use YouTube to discover niche content, but only because I've been running an ad-blocker since forever. I cannot fathom how anyone could enjoy it in any other way currently. When I s…

> I'd never pay a dime for YT itself due to their policies and overall platform. You're supporting them just by using them, whether they are showing you ads or tracking you or not. You're reducing demand on other platforms for this content because you're letting YouTube provide it for you. If you really want to stand against YouTube, don't use it. Otherwise, you're still supporting their platform, you've just decided…

You're absolutely right of course. But it's still a chicken-and-egg problem. YT is frequently the only platform where content creators publish because of network effects.

I guess it's too easy for me to continue using YT for discovery.

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