Covid-19 is causing a wide range of disorders in the nervous system • Hacker News Board

Re: Covid-19 is causing a wide range of disorders in the nervous system

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Post by Duller-Finite » Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 4:53 PM UTC

mr_overalls wrote: post #27

irq11 wrote: post #17

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The reason you “get so concerned” is because you are spreading fear, and you systematically attempt to censor anyone who points out that your fear isn’t supported by evidence.

". . . isn't supported by evidence." This thread is _literally_ about the gold-standard scientific evidence (gathered by Spanish doctors) about how COVID is attacking the nervous system.

COVID-19 patients may have neurological symptoms, but that doesn't mean that SARS-CoV-2 directly attacks the CNS. As noted recently, most neurological symptoms associated with COVID-19 can be explained by vasculopathies and coagulopathies rather than the direct infection of neurons [1]. Such results are consistent with findings from autopsies. In contrast, neither of the papers mentioned in the linked article provide any evidence that SARS-CoV-2 is "directly attacking the brain".

[1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7328585/

Re: Covid-19 is causing a wide range of disorders in the nervous system

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Post by hkeide » Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 4:54 PM UTC

ivalm wrote: post #56

irq11 wrote: post #20

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Did you see the parts of the article where they say that the most severe, “consequential damage” is predominantly found in the elderly and most severely ill? You’re implying that people who have mild cases (>99% of all cases; remember: over 40% cases are so mild that they’re considered “asymptomatic”, and for every one case we detect, 10-20 others never even bother to be tested! ) have some kind of neurological damag…

> You’re implying that people who have mild cases (>99% of all cases; remember: over 40% cases are so mild The death rate alone is ~0.8%. There are another few percent that require hospitalization. The >99% of covid cases are not mild.

Are you talking about confirmed cases here?

Re: Covid-19 is causing a wide range of disorders in the nervous system

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Post by hkeide » Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 4:56 PM UTC

krapp wrote: post #26

starkd wrote: post #22

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The headline was indeed more inflammatory than the facts of the article. It seems like the media wants people to panic.

> The headline was indeed more inflammatory than the facts of the article. It seems like the media wants people to panic. I wouldn't conflate a clickbait headline on a single article by a single website into a widespread conspiracy by "the media" to spread panic.

The incentives to write scary articles are clear. No secret cabal required.

Re: Covid-19 is causing a wide range of disorders in the nervous system

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Post by enraged_camel » Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 4:58 PM UTC

SimbaOnSteroids wrote: post #44

starkd wrote: post #22

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The headline was indeed more inflammatory than the facts of the article. It seems like the media wants people to panic.

A small percentage change in the output of knowledge workers would have an outsized effect on the overall economy. This kind of data is as dramatic as the title suggests. We can’t afford to poke this bear.

>>A small percentage change in the output of knowledge workers would have an outsized effect on the overall economy.

Especially in the US, where healthcare bills are the number one reason for personal bankruptcies (66.5%).

Re: Covid-19 is causing a wide range of disorders in the nervous system

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Post by sosborn » Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 4:59 PM UTC

krapp wrote: post #26

starkd wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The headline was indeed more inflammatory than the facts of the article. It seems like the media wants people to panic.

> The headline was indeed more inflammatory than the facts of the article. It seems like the media wants people to panic. I wouldn't conflate a clickbait headline on a single article by a single website into a widespread conspiracy by "the media" to spread panic.

It's not a conspiracy, but anyone that has worked in or with a newsroom will tell you that panic and fear sell newspapers (or clicks). Reporters get judged on article engagement and being humans, they optimize for the metric that they get judged on.

Re: Covid-19 is causing a wide range of disorders in the nervous system

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Post by sosborn » Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 5:00 PM UTC

intotheabyss wrote: post #58

AmVess wrote: post #40

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I tested positive this week. My symptoms are flash headaches and nausea along with persistent ear ringing. No other flu symptoms are present. I've never had headaches like this before, both in feeling and duration. I've been careful since the end of February. Always wearing a mask, social distancing, hand washing with soap and disinfectant wipes. I've had limited exposure to other people except delivery people, my GF…

So where do you think you caught it? Seems strange that some people take all precautions and still end up getting it.

> some people take all precautions

The problem is that "some" isn't enough. Everyone needs to work together. sigh

Re: Covid-19 is causing a wide range of disorders in the nervous system

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 5:01 PM UTC

gumby wrote: post #13

People seem to have a naïve view of what “cured” means: someone “gets sick”, is treated, and then returns to the status quo ante . Thus there is little concern about catching the disease (or any disease) when you are not in an “at risk” group. But hospital discharge just means the treatment you get stops being worth the time/money. Ideally you finish convalescing at home. But any consequential damage isn’t ignored, a…

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Re: Covid-19 is causing a wide range of disorders in the nervous system

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Post by vmception » Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 5:01 PM UTC

intotheabyss wrote: post #58

AmVess wrote: post #40

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I tested positive this week. My symptoms are flash headaches and nausea along with persistent ear ringing. No other flu symptoms are present. I've never had headaches like this before, both in feeling and duration. I've been careful since the end of February. Always wearing a mask, social distancing, hand washing with soap and disinfectant wipes. I've had limited exposure to other people except delivery people, my GF…

So where do you think you caught it? Seems strange that some people take all precautions and still end up getting it.

The known precautions are just to slow the spread down not prevent it, at risk people are still at risk, and so is everyone else. That persons R0 is probably lower than 1, which is the only metric we actually care about.

The only solution is complete segregation and sustainable farming. Otherwise you are fodder as an individual and at best helping the R0 rate decline as well as the velocity of spread.

That isn't strange to me.

Re: Covid-19 is causing a wide range of disorders in the nervous system

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Post by bananaface » Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 5:01 PM UTC

cs702 wrote: post #42

This story is possibly the very last thing I wanted to read today. Nonetheless, I read it and upvoted it because I like to think of myself as a reality-facing optimist, as opposed to a wishful-thinking optimist. (The landscape of history is littered with the dead bodies of wishful-thinking optimists; I don't want to be one of them.) After reading this story, along with recent evidence that a substantial portion of co…

Your conclusion about cardiac abnormalities is wrong, that's not what the study measured.

They only looked at male patients aged 52-74, who were bad enough to be in hospital, and who had already been given an echocardiogram because there was an indicator, i.e. it's the subgroup that doctors deemed in need of a heart check because they were exhibiting symptoms like chest pain. The study indicates prevalence of abnormalities within those echoes - echoes from very ill people with symptoms of heart failure. They didn't take echoes for the study and they didn't run echoes on a random population.

Re: Covid-19 is causing a wide range of disorders in the nervous system

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Post by edjrage » Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 5:01 PM UTC

Consultant32452 wrote: post #48

titzer wrote: post #33

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> It's useless to argue the numbers With very few exceptions, those "arguing the numbers" present a systematically biased and intentionally deceptive view that this virus is not dangerous and systematically hamper the collective action necessary to slow its spread. Instead of merely presenting a "balanced view", it's a rather irresponsible level of misinformation by...let's be frank...rather uninformed armchair epide…

>Basic shit like wearing masks is now political. Masks became political the moment the CDC, WHO, and US Surgeon General lied to the public by telling them that masks don't help and would even be worse than not wearing a mask. The world's leading experts made it political, don't blame nobodies with no power for that. >You should take this seriously because people are actually dying. "People are actually dying" isn't t…

Could you stop with the "adult conversation" bullshit? This patronizing tone is not fit for Hacker News. Also it ironically makes you sound like a child who wants to show off how "adult-like" they are.