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Re: New iOS privacy feature may end an era of personalized ads

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Post by Yetanfou »

kohtatsu wrote: post #64
omnifischer wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the end of the day, 1. Apple users are the ones that cannot browse without adblocker. Safari is not as good as ublock-origin 2. Most Apple users use google maps. > Not a fan of Apple, but they seem to be serious about privacy If they are honest then they can remove the default search engine from Google to DDG or whatever. They get billions from Google for default search engine. https://www.theverge.com/2020/7/1/21…

iPhones have longevity. The iPhone 5s from September 2013 has been receiving regular security updates, the latest being iOS 12.4.8 on Wednesday. It was the first 64-bit phone, and first iPhone (first phone?) with a Secure Enclave. They can be had for <$100 in good condition.

So do Android devices, I'm using a Samsung SIII from 2012 as 'work phone' when doing rough work on the farm etc. The device runs Android 9 (LineageOS 16), I have not felt the need to update it to 10 yet. It has a user-replaceable battery but since it still lasts for about 2 days of normal use (playing around 8 hours of audio per day) I have not yet replaced it. I did put in a larger microSD card to support a larger off-line audio library. Neither would be possible with the iPhone, no matter which version.

Re: New iOS privacy feature may end an era of personalized ads

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Post by dmitriid »

AdrianB1 wrote: post #109
omnifischer wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Smartphone is a necessity. For example, without covid app you cannot go out in many countries. Yes, most people do not need Mercedes- agree. You can live without mercedes but not without smartphone. Paying for services; employer; calling people; if you swap 3 jobs then you are informed by your boss through WhatsApp or fb (at least in parts of 3rd world - I went through that in the last years). Of course, there is no…

You are making 3 arguments, all not proven: 1. People cannot live without smartphones. I wonder how the past 10,000 were: how people made phone calls 100 years without smartphones, how they paid with card or cash, how to live without Facebook or WhatsApp. It must be terrible to be so entitled. 2. When people need smartphones, they should afford iPhones. Why a $100 Huawei is not enough? 3. When people have needs, some…

Bullet point one: in the past 10 000 years no one had so such info and requirements to be online.

Calling someone is not even on the priority list of a smartphone. But I can't access easily half of services (including banks) without an internet-connected device. Which is almost invariably a smartphone.

Bullet point 2: older versions of iPhones can be had for that money

Re: New iOS privacy feature may end an era of personalized ads

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Post by pwinnski »

omnifischer wrote: post #70
kohtatsu wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

iPhones have longevity. The iPhone 5s from September 2013 has been receiving regular security updates, the latest being iOS 12.4.8 on Wednesday. It was the first 64-bit phone, and first iPhone (first phone?) with a Secure Enclave. They can be had for <$100 in good condition.

BTW, every one says this - but nobody uses it like a daily driver. Yes, it will work as a spare - with just one app - like whatsapp - but for many poor - they need 1. Uber or Ola 2. Facebook or WhatsApp 3. linkedin to whatever local app 4. youtube Why dont you try to use it for a week with all your existing apps? If it works as good - why would anyone buy newer?

Literally millions of people use these phones as their "daily driver." They work perfectly well. Maybe people are still using them from when they were new, other people buy them used, or buy the iPhone SE, for exactly the reason you suggest: they don't need the latest and greatest.

Most people don't need the latest and greatest.

Re: New iOS privacy feature may end an era of personalized ads

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Post by dmitriid »

mvanbaak wrote: post #59
omnifischer wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the end of the day, 1. Apple users are the ones that cannot browse without adblocker. Safari is not as good as ublock-origin 2. Most Apple users use google maps. > Not a fan of Apple, but they seem to be serious about privacy If they are honest then they can remove the default search engine from Google to DDG or whatever. They get billions from Google for default search engine. https://www.theverge.com/2020/7/1/21…

> They do not care about >80 % world popln? They too need smartphones. nobody needs a smartphone. It's a gadget.

It hasn't been a gadget for close to ten years now.

Re: New iOS privacy feature may end an era of personalized ads

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Post by izacus »

mvanbaak wrote: post #88
MaxBarraclough wrote: post #69

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You seem to be implying it's a frivolous luxury that delivers little real value. That's not the case. Much has been written on telephony in the developing world.

Telephony can be handled by dumb phones

Telephony is dead. These days in many places cannot get a job or function without access to email or chat. In a lot of non-rich markets the smartphone is the cheapest option to gain access to these communication systems.

We're not in 1998 anymore where people phone you.

Re: New iOS privacy feature may end an era of personalized ads

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Post by kube-system »

Yetanfou wrote: post #111
kohtatsu wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

iPhones have longevity. The iPhone 5s from September 2013 has been receiving regular security updates, the latest being iOS 12.4.8 on Wednesday. It was the first 64-bit phone, and first iPhone (first phone?) with a Secure Enclave. They can be had for <$100 in good condition.

So do Android devices, I'm using a Samsung SIII from 2012 as 'work phone' when doing rough work on the farm etc. The device runs Android 9 (LineageOS 16), I have not felt the need to update it to 10 yet. It has a user-replaceable battery but since it still lasts for about 2 days of normal use (playing around 8 hours of audio per day) I have not yet replaced it. I did put in a larger microSD card to support a larger o…

Upgrading your OS is only part of your software security footprint. The unlocked bootloaders/firmware running on many old devices are full of unpatched security holes and are often susceptible to attacks where physical access is available. These security holes are a common method to install third-party ROMs on some devices.

Re: New iOS privacy feature may end an era of personalized ads

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Post by pwinnski »

omnifischer wrote: post #23
raxxorrax wrote: post #9

Maybe the open source promise of Android was indeed a lie. To me this industry has no value to society at all. Not a fan of Apple, but they seem to be serious about privacy showing other companies how it is done. Microsoft could have really established itself as an alternative to Google on the same front, but they utterly failed by mirroring the worst aspects of the disastrous landscape we see on mobile devices. I ho…

At the end of the day, 1. Apple users are the ones that cannot browse without adblocker. Safari is not as good as ublock-origin 2. Most Apple users use google maps. > Not a fan of Apple, but they seem to be serious about privacy If they are honest then they can remove the default search engine from Google to DDG or whatever. They get billions from Google for default search engine. https://www.theverge.com/2020/7/1/21…

1. Huh? I use ad-blockers on iOS.

2. I don't use Google Maps. People can choose to use Google Maps, sure. So?

2b. I use DDG as my search engine. A default is just a default. Are you suggesting people use Google's Android, where the default is... somehow... not Google?

3. The cheapest brand-new iPhone is $399 from Apple in the US. That's full-price directly from the manufacturer. It is super-easy to pick up second-hand phones for much less than that. I see them for $100 very frequently. People use iPhones in nearly every country of the world, so it seems at least some people can afford them.

Note that your complaints include both that people ignore the default mapping application to use Google's, and that the default search engine is Google's. Seems silly to argue both for and against defaults.

Re: New iOS privacy feature may end an era of personalized ads

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Post by aspaviento »

AdrianB1 wrote: post #109
omnifischer wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Smartphone is a necessity. For example, without covid app you cannot go out in many countries. Yes, most people do not need Mercedes- agree. You can live without mercedes but not without smartphone. Paying for services; employer; calling people; if you swap 3 jobs then you are informed by your boss through WhatsApp or fb (at least in parts of 3rd world - I went through that in the last years). Of course, there is no…

You are making 3 arguments, all not proven: 1. People cannot live without smartphones. I wonder how the past 10,000 were: how people made phone calls 100 years without smartphones, how they paid with card or cash, how to live without Facebook or WhatsApp. It must be terrible to be so entitled. 2. When people need smartphones, they should afford iPhones. Why a $100 Huawei is not enough? 3. When people have needs, some…

Being snarky doesn't help to the discussion and it actually goes against the guidelines of this site:

> Be kind. Don't be snarky.

Re: New iOS privacy feature may end an era of personalized ads

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Post by Spivak »

AdrianB1 wrote: post #109
omnifischer wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Smartphone is a necessity. For example, without covid app you cannot go out in many countries. Yes, most people do not need Mercedes- agree. You can live without mercedes but not without smartphone. Paying for services; employer; calling people; if you swap 3 jobs then you are informed by your boss through WhatsApp or fb (at least in parts of 3rd world - I went through that in the last years). Of course, there is no…

You are making 3 arguments, all not proven: 1. People cannot live without smartphones. I wonder how the past 10,000 were: how people made phone calls 100 years without smartphones, how they paid with card or cash, how to live without Facebook or WhatsApp. It must be terrible to be so entitled. 2. When people need smartphones, they should afford iPhones. Why a $100 Huawei is not enough? 3. When people have needs, some…

1. You could make the same argument about fridges, electricity, light bulbs, vehicles (yours or by proxy), houses, chairs, agriculture. The point is that not having a smartphone available to you puts you on the margins since at this point it's assumed that everyone has one. Every restaurant in our area is now doing virtual no-touch menus that require scanning a QR code and requiring online ordering for take-out. Like you can live without a smartphone but at this point you're only making life more difficult and annoying for yourself.

2. It's plenty enough. Phones have been plenty fast for years. The issue is finding a vendor that will support your software for long stretches of time which right now that is community Android distributions and Apple.

3. This is a bad-faith argument and you know it.

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