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What’s New in Thunderbird 78

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Re: What’s New in Thunderbird 78

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Post by bad_user »

kioleanu wrote: post #74

I've started using Thunderbird again after months of trying literally every other solution on the market. I wanted to switch from Outlook and Gmail to something that is fast, has good keyboard support and a good message editor. It's incredible how slow most of the email clients on the market are. What's even more incredible is that, apart from Outlook, none of the other clients offer a good way of editing tables prop…

On macOS I use Mailmate.

It's what Thunderbird should have been imo.

Re: What’s New in Thunderbird 78

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Post by dugite-code »

pitdicker wrote: post #85
dugite-code wrote: post #21

Just FIY the winmail.dat (the horrible Microsoft email format) plugin LookOut (Fix Version) has not been updated for this release and unless someone jumps in to help Probably wont be updated. https://github.com/TB-throwback/LookOut-fix-version/ I was maintaining it but haven't been able to find time to work on the upgrade. There was talk in the dev mailing list about adding TNEF support but that probably wont happen…

Thank you for maintaining the extension until now! Sadly the improperly configured Outlook clients are still not extinct in some of the organizations we work with. Does anyone know a good guide (with screenshots would be ideal) of the settings they would have to change?

Thanks, I am proud I was able to give back something useful for a time.

Unfortunately it's not only the clients it's the servers as well. Also this is still occasionally an issue in Office 365

This guide doesn't look bad - https://capsulecrm.com/support/setup-and-configuration/micro...

The official Microsoft article - Change the message format to HTML, Rich Text Format, or plain text - https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/change-the-messag...

And of course the Microsoft Exchange article - https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/exchange/tnef-conversion-op...

Re: What’s New in Thunderbird 78

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Post by miedpo »

berkes wrote: post #84

I keep swinging between dislike and acceptance with Thunderbird. It feels old, clunky and cludgy. And not in a good way (the way Vim is old, but still marvellous, or mutt is cludgy but still Just Works Everywhere). The UI feels horribly out of place (on my vanilla Ubuntu), the UX is terribly inconsistent and after -I think- 10+ years of using it, I still have to search where to find stuff. Daily. I've been comparing…

Just curious, how does Archiving get in the way? I've always found it a million times better than basically any of the other email clients archiving processes.

Hope your having a great day!

Re: What’s New in Thunderbird 78

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Post by miedpo »

LockAndLol wrote: post #97

Have they updated the documentation for writing addons? Last time I checked it was a decade or so old.

Yes. The new docs are here. The new add on code is in beta though and not fully stable so you have to keep an eye on it.

https://thunderbird-webextensions.readthedocs.io/en/latest/

Re: What’s New in Thunderbird 78

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Post by ubermonkey »

s1k3s wrote: post #160
kioleanu wrote: post #74

I've started using Thunderbird again after months of trying literally every other solution on the market. I wanted to switch from Outlook and Gmail to something that is fast, has good keyboard support and a good message editor. It's incredible how slow most of the email clients on the market are. What's even more incredible is that, apart from Outlook, none of the other clients offer a good way of editing tables prop…

I think Outlook itself is a big reason for why other email clients seem so behind. As a user, Outlook is great and I have absolutely no complaints about it. As a developer that occasionally has to work with the technical side of emails, Outlook is the biggest source of frustration due to its “proprietary” standard of content presentation, address book management, contacts etc. I have to write plenty of code specifica…

Yeah, this.

I'm on a Mac, and really prefer the native Mac mail client. It's fast, polished, and has insanely great search tools. But I keep Outlook running, too, because to properly and reliably deal with Exchange calendaring (esp with respect to coordinated online meeting setup), it's really the only good option.

Which means I have two copies of my work email corpus on my machine. And it's not small.

Re: What’s New in Thunderbird 78

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Post by ubermonkey »

swiley wrote: post #111
kioleanu wrote: post #74

I've started using Thunderbird again after months of trying literally every other solution on the market. I wanted to switch from Outlook and Gmail to something that is fast, has good keyboard support and a good message editor. It's incredible how slow most of the email clients on the market are. What's even more incredible is that, apart from Outlook, none of the other clients offer a good way of editing tables prop…

Why are you sending emails with tables in them? If you really need that much formatting maybe you should link or attach your document.

...because they're useful for communication?

Honestly, I'd rather get a mail with tables in it than a mail that references a companion attachment. It's not even close.

Re: What’s New in Thunderbird 78

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Post by vetinari »

GordonS wrote: post #154
kioleanu wrote: post #74

I've started using Thunderbird again after months of trying literally every other solution on the market. I wanted to switch from Outlook and Gmail to something that is fast, has good keyboard support and a good message editor. It's incredible how slow most of the email clients on the market are. What's even more incredible is that, apart from Outlook, none of the other clients offer a good way of editing tables prop…

Can I ask what it is you don't like about Outlook? I've been a regular Outlook user for many years, and honestly I'm pretty happy with it. My only real pain is the lack of ability to easily export/import my mail accounts between machines, but that's something I do only every few years. I did run Thunderbird on a low-power laptop some years ago, and did like it, but at the time it was nowhere near feature parity with…

Not the OP, not I've disliked mostly the slowness, modality and UI. It also never seemed to be capable to find the mails I was looking for... unlike other mail clients.

Compared to Apple Mail + Calendar + Contacts, it is a night-and-day.

Re: What’s New in Thunderbird 78

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Post by dsfdsfsdfasd »

waheoo wrote: post #22
addicted wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not a fan of the flat buttons but I strongly disagree about the single/multi line TO situation. I doubt there will be a single person for whom Thunderbird is their first email/messaging type app. Most would have used something on their iOS or Android devices first at least. All of them will be comfortable with multiple users in a single To line, while having multiple lines for multiple users will actually appear alie…

Perpetuating bad UX choices (or at least trade offs made under the mobile constraint) from mobile into the desktop doesn't help anyone. I use thunderbird because I want an email client, not a dumbed down web experience built for mobile.

It's not a mobile constraint. Nearly every desktop mail client also uses a single To line.

I mentioned mobile because as far as discoverability is concerned, there is an order of magnitude more mobile users than desktop users, so the vast majority of users will have no problem understanding this concept.

And if you've been a desktop user long enough that you havent used a smartphone then you're probably used enough software that have similar patterns (and used email enoguh) that you shouldnt have trouble realizing that single To line means you can add multiple recipients to the same line.

Re: What’s New in Thunderbird 78

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Post by fauigerzigerk »

GordonS wrote: post #154
kioleanu wrote: post #74

I've started using Thunderbird again after months of trying literally every other solution on the market. I wanted to switch from Outlook and Gmail to something that is fast, has good keyboard support and a good message editor. It's incredible how slow most of the email clients on the market are. What's even more incredible is that, apart from Outlook, none of the other clients offer a good way of editing tables prop…

Can I ask what it is you don't like about Outlook? I've been a regular Outlook user for many years, and honestly I'm pretty happy with it. My only real pain is the lack of ability to easily export/import my mail accounts between machines, but that's something I do only every few years. I did run Thunderbird on a low-power laptop some years ago, and did like it, but at the time it was nowhere near feature parity with…

I do use Outlook and it works pretty well, but:

- No proper conversation view on desktop.

- Filters (e.g unread) get disabled on every view change (including switching between mail and calendar)

- The mobile client has no setting to stop it from marking messages as read upon changing focus to another message.

- The message editor isn't really WYSIWYG. I often insert paragraph breaks that are gone in the sent message.

- It's generally buggy, like everything Microsoft makes lately.

Re: What’s New in Thunderbird 78

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Post by zdw »

swiley wrote: post #111
kioleanu wrote: post #74

I've started using Thunderbird again after months of trying literally every other solution on the market. I wanted to switch from Outlook and Gmail to something that is fast, has good keyboard support and a good message editor. It's incredible how slow most of the email clients on the market are. What's even more incredible is that, apart from Outlook, none of the other clients offer a good way of editing tables prop…

Why are you sending emails with tables in them? If you really need that much formatting maybe you should link or attach your document.

Alternatively, don't send HTML email and use plain, monospaced text to send tables padded with spaces.
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