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What’s New in Thunderbird 78

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Re: What’s New in Thunderbird 78

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post #84

I keep swinging between dislike and acceptance with Thunderbird. It feels old, clunky and cludgy. And not in a good way (the way Vim is old, but still marvellous, or mutt is cludgy but still Just Works Everywhere). The UI feels horribly out of place (on my vanilla Ubuntu), the UX is terribly inconsistent and after -I think- 10+ years of using it, I still have to search where to find stuff. Daily. I've been comparing…

Have you tried kmail, it's pretty mature. I use TB,YMMV.

Re: What’s New in Thunderbird 78

#132

I really wish TB would store mails in Maildir by default and operate on that storage according to the standard so that the local mailstore becomes compatible with other mail clients. Right now one can manually switch the storage to maildir, but it is not safe to use that storage with other maildir compatible software.

IMO, I'd install a local IMAP server and only use that (currently dovecot).

Re: What’s New in Thunderbird 78

#134

I've started using Thunderbird again after months of trying literally every other solution on the market. I wanted to switch from Outlook and Gmail to something that is fast, has good keyboard support and a good message editor. It's incredible how slow most of the email clients on the market are. What's even more incredible is that, apart from Outlook, none of the other clients offer a good way of editing tables prop…

Gmail has great keyboard support. Just press ? And see for yourself. Used with https://github.com/jiahaog/nativefier I find it to be a great client

I was following along until the electron part. Why spin up a whole new browser instance instead of, say tearing off a tab for mail from your existing browser?

Re: What’s New in Thunderbird 78

#135
While minimize to tray is finally there, it would be good to have:

1. close to tray

2. start minimized (changing shortcut properties in Windows to start minimized doesn't do anything).

3. Always keep tray icon - now it is removed when you click on it which is anoying

I am sure people will accidentally click close instead of minimize.

Re: What’s New in Thunderbird 78

#136

While minimize to tray is finally there, it would be good to have: 1. close to tray 2. start minimized (changing shortcut properties in Windows to start minimized doesn't do anything). 3. Always keep tray icon - now it is removed when you click on it which is anoying I am sure people will accidentally click close instead of minimize.

This sort of thing should be a feature provided by the Desktop Environment so that you can set how each application operates for closing and minimising.

Re: What’s New in Thunderbird 78

#137

I've started using Thunderbird again after months of trying literally every other solution on the market. I wanted to switch from Outlook and Gmail to something that is fast, has good keyboard support and a good message editor. It's incredible how slow most of the email clients on the market are. What's even more incredible is that, apart from Outlook, none of the other clients offer a good way of editing tables prop…

It should be declarative. Apply the settings like in Kubernetes/Terraform/Kustomize. Done.

A little naive I know. I don't see any other way to scale though.

Re: What’s New in Thunderbird 78

#138

I really wish TB would store mails in Maildir by default and operate on that storage according to the standard so that the local mailstore becomes compatible with other mail clients. Right now one can manually switch the storage to maildir, but it is not safe to use that storage with other maildir compatible software.

Wouldn't it be better for it to store it in a Sqlite file so that it is easier for third party programs to query it?

Re: What’s New in Thunderbird 78

#139
post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's incredible how shitty ALL email clients for Windows are, except for Thunderbird. Of course, Mozilla had to abandon it...

Great to see a headline like this again. But even if you had frozen Thunderbird how it was, it would still beat other mail solutions. I can live with Outlook/Exchange in my corporate environment, but it still cannot compete.

Gnome's Evolution is quite good as well and the built-in exchange support for both email and calendar via EWS works better than the thunderbird plugin. I used to use thunderbird, but after several troubles with the exchange plugin (e.g. meetings on Fridays disappearing) and calendar not working properly I switched to Evolution where it just works.

Re: What’s New in Thunderbird 78

#140

thanks for the integrated openpgp support. finally.

Was enigmail being a plugin a showstopper before? Just curious of this perspective.

Yes. It adheres to the original six levels of trust, generating a confusing UI that in practice nobody but three people used. Easy mode was still confusing, with details like does the button show "the current state or an option to switch to that state"? An alternative plugin, autocrypt, was actually a much better beginner-proof way of having pgp.

I still think TB 78 isn't enough, but it's a step into the the right direction, where we recognize that there's a brilliant system in pgp, obscured by outdated and even counterproductive security insights (such as the trust levels). It also is included by default, important for secure by default mail communication.

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