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What’s New in Thunderbird 78

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Re: What’s New in Thunderbird 78

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Post by swiley »

HPsquared wrote: post #116
swiley wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are you sending emails with tables in them? If you really need that much formatting maybe you should link or attach your document.

It depends on the field you're in I suppose. I use tables all the time in email, they're a very organised and quick way of presentning infomation, wth the benefit of colour coding. Someone can respond to the table by adding a column with their own thoughts on each item, etc. - very good for formal approval/discussion on a list of points. Why should someone be forced to use a separate file for simple HTML formatting?

Collaborating on documents over email feels like a hack. I definitely don’t share your experience but that seems like something which belongs on a wiki or at least in a git repo.

Re: What’s New in Thunderbird 78

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Post by ronjouch »

Silhouette wrote: post #120
ronjouch wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shift-Click on Reply/Compose to switch from text to HTML (or HTML to text if HTML is your default) still works for me. If it doesn't for you, it's a bug.

Though since they inexplicably removed the reply-to-all button from the easily accessed tools in a recent UI update, this can be more fiddly now than it needs to be...

Was it? It wasn't removed for me. You can add it again with Right click anywhere on the toolbar -> Customize

Re: What’s New in Thunderbird 78

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Post by HPsquared »

swiley wrote: post #121
HPsquared wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It depends on the field you're in I suppose. I use tables all the time in email, they're a very organised and quick way of presentning infomation, wth the benefit of colour coding. Someone can respond to the table by adding a column with their own thoughts on each item, etc. - very good for formal approval/discussion on a list of points. Why should someone be forced to use a separate file for simple HTML formatting?

Collaborating on documents over email feels like a hack. I definitely don’t share your experience but that seems like something which belongs on a wiki or at least in a git repo.

The point is to keep things as lightweight and transferrable as possible. I can send an HTML-formatted email to someone, and they can see it right away. Also, an email chain on a topic shows the development of the discussion over time. I'm in consulting so when dealing with clients there is a need to keep things lightweight.

Email is more of a 'record' than a 'document' - these are different things. Wiki and Git repos are more for building up a permanent body of work which will be referred to and built on (i.e. documents), rather than transitory discissions and a log of daily events (i.e. records).

Re: What’s New in Thunderbird 78

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Post by SiempreViernes »

lower wrote: post #18
LeoPanthera wrote: post #12

Many of these UI changes seem like backward steps. https://blog.thunderbird.net/files/2020/07/compose-compariso... Old: Clear that you can enter multiple "To" addresses. Obvious that the formatting buttons are buttons. New: Single-line "to" implies you can only enter one address. "Flat" buttons don't look like buttons. https://blog.thunderbird.net/files/2020/07/account-setup.png Extra white space makes the window nea…

The old To/Cc design was really bad. If you have more than three addresses, then these three lines scroll. The only indication that there are more than three addresses is a tiny scrollbar all the way to the right. I recently sent an e-mail to more people than intended when editing an old message as new, because it had more To-addresses that weren't visible and I didn't notice the scrollbar. I'm very happy that it's b…

The worst bit is that you can't even expand that part of the window to see more addresses at once! Need to include the whole team on this mail? Prepare to squint...

Re: What’s New in Thunderbird 78

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Post by beagle3 »

kioleanu wrote: post #74

I've started using Thunderbird again after months of trying literally every other solution on the market. I wanted to switch from Outlook and Gmail to something that is fast, has good keyboard support and a good message editor. It's incredible how slow most of the email clients on the market are. What's even more incredible is that, apart from Outlook, none of the other clients offer a good way of editing tables prop…

How did you get gmail style search?

Re: What’s New in Thunderbird 78

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Post by commoner »

shock wrote: post #117

I'm a (mostly) happy user of TB, but I sorely miss a "conversations" feature.

You might appreciate the Thunderbird Conversations add-on, which displays threaded conversations. With this add-on, the message view looks similar to Gmail's original interface.

https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/addon/gmail...

https://github.com/thunderbird-conversations/thunderbird-con...

Re: What’s New in Thunderbird 78

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Post by thom »

zelphirkalt wrote: post #90

In some of the screenshots the old version looked better than the new version, especially with regard to how everything nowadays needs to be "flat". It lacks the visual feedback of buttons, which can be "pressed in" and that can be annoying. Also I dislike how every button now seems to be bigger and everything needs to be in "tiles" instead of simple links or buttons. I think in general I simply dislike "material des…

It's always seemed odd to me that on the one hand material design admits how important the physicality of an interface can be, as well as our spatial understanding of it, but on the other hand tries to eliminate the most established examples of those things. Why talk about shape and depth if you then eliminate shape and depth on the most important UI widgets?

I do think there's great promise to the core idea of treating data in our UIs like we'd treat, for example, pieces of paper on our desk, or pages in a book, but just more efficiently. For example I've always felt that a music app built around a paradigm of piles or boxes of songs, interacted with very physically and naturally to build playlists, would be wonderful (especially versus the current state of the iOS music app). However most of the time it's just flatness for flatness's sake, and an excuse for designers to go wild with minimalism.

Re: What’s New in Thunderbird 78

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Post by j1elo »

I had an IMAP account that, when deleted from the server (the company closed and closed their GSuite accounts), was rendered impossible to access from TB. But afaik the emails where there, given the space that the TB folder occupied on the hard disk.

I saw some conversations about how if you want to have a local copy of emails and be sure that server errors (or server dissappearance, as it was the case) won't affect your access to old email copies, you should manually copy them to the Local Folders section within TB.

Does anybody know what is the "best practices" for keeping access to downloaded emails and not lose them if the server closes? Should I be copying every email to the Local Folders storage?

Re: What’s New in Thunderbird 78

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Post by ethelward »

bzb3 wrote: post #94
effie wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what way?

Each email in its own file means a minimum of x KB on disk for each email, where x is usually 4. For people with thousands of emails that's very wasteful.

That's ~4MB per thousand emails; while I agree it's conceptually wasteful, I doubt it would have any real consequences for anyone.
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