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Re: Unboxing a 5G Protection Device

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Post by mekkkkkk »

metrokoi wrote: post #11

I wonder if there would be a market for actual electromagnetic shielding products, such as some sort of conductive paint for walls and ceilings? Of course, you could not use your phone or other devices, but it could be useful for the bedroom. A good way to have a guaranteed "do-not-disturb" zone as well!

AFAIK this already exists. It's used for segmenting frequency ranges in places with a lot of wireless pollution. For example; if you have a large building with a ton of access points and networks you might want to limit the interference by stopping certain frequencies going through select floors or walls.

Re: Unboxing a 5G Protection Device

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Post by lnsru »

AstralStorm wrote: post #29
consp wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Considering the same people who sell this crap online also sell stuff to force you to inhale ozone and carry radioactive materials on your chest as health items I do not think they care much about FCC approval

Free money from them. $50k per device.

There was an ancient scam about this. Machine for $50k was preloaded with real $10k. Free money production was slow and when last real bill went out, seller was gone and in safety :-)

Re: Unboxing a 5G Protection Device

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Post by teekert »

lnsru wrote: post #52
AstralStorm wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Free money from them. $50k per device.

There was an ancient scam about this. Machine for $50k was preloaded with real $10k. Free money production was slow and when last real bill went out, seller was gone and in safety :-)

Well if they never said who the free money was for... They never even lied!

Re: Unboxing a 5G Protection Device

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Post by stinos »

jcun4128 wrote: post #38
stinos wrote: post #13

Sort of related: had a customer with a problem where data on a serial line got corrupted which is usually resolved by applying proper shielding all around the cable, i.e. standard Faraday cage principle. So English not being my native language I wanted to explain this in correct terms and entered the term 'emf shielding' in a search engine just to doublecheck. I think 90% of the results on the result page were all li…

Unrelated: was thinking how it would be possible to truly prove uniqueness eg. by DNA but it seems everything can be spoofed. One way to avoid it is computation eg. captcha but yeah sucks. This thought related to online voting. I do find it interesting the desire to harm/screw other people over and feel no remorse. Like those scams getting busted in certain places eg. fake virus support. People show up to their actua…

I do find it interesting the desire to harm/screw other people over and feel no remorse

I'm not sure this is the driving force here, especially when your description sort of fits the worst psychopaths, and I can think of other principles these people live by which aren't necessarily driven by such 'evil' forces. E.g. desire to survive (==food/shelter) which in modern society usually translates to desire to earn money, see an easy way to do that, feel remorse but ignore it.

Alos, after having talked to so-called tinfoil hatters, it seems that a large part of them genuinely believe all these theories (well, or were extremely good in tricking me into believing they believe) and as such also believe they can actually help people so from their point of view it's not a desire to harm or screw over but rather to help. As crippled as that might seem to others. I.e. do not underestimate the power of the human mind to play tricks on itself, or mental problems in other words.

Re: Unboxing a 5G Protection Device

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Post by mercer »

stinos wrote: post #56
jcun4128 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unrelated: was thinking how it would be possible to truly prove uniqueness eg. by DNA but it seems everything can be spoofed. One way to avoid it is computation eg. captcha but yeah sucks. This thought related to online voting. I do find it interesting the desire to harm/screw other people over and feel no remorse. Like those scams getting busted in certain places eg. fake virus support. People show up to their actua…

I do find it interesting the desire to harm/screw other people over and feel no remorse I'm not sure this is the driving force here, especially when your description sort of fits the worst psychopaths, and I can think of other principles these people live by which aren't necessarily driven by such 'evil' forces. E.g. desire to survive (==food/shelter) which in modern society usually translates to desire to earn money…

Agreed. For various reasons I often interact with (or befriend) people who seem to be into the typical weird beliefs that I know about (anti-vax, 5G, EMF, homeopathy, fluoride-in-the-water) and quite regularly I have the displeasure of being introduced to new ones.

A number of these people made a business out of 'helping' others who believed the same things. Most of the time my impression was that they really did do it from an honest conviction.

It makes sense, of course. If you believe something is true, making a business out of helping others within this belief system is pretty much what many of us do. If anything, it's at the very least more admirable than selling shit you know won't help others. It's just maddeningly misguided.

For example, a couple I met tried to sell some expensive woo-woo device to another friend of mine. Some other friends approached me to pool money so that we could buy this device for her birthday.

I'm convinced these friends meant well, the sellers meant well, and possibly the 'manufacturer' meant well too. It's quite possible that making this custom device was expensive.

I deflected by buying a nice book for her instead, but it was really difficult to keep from criticising. Thankfully, I was pretty sure enough of my other friends wouldn't participate and the gift wouldn't happen, so it was easier to just let things be.

Re: Unboxing a 5G Protection Device

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Post by mercer »

comboy wrote: post #27
Eyght wrote: post #10

On the subject of placebo technology. How well do HN think placebo software would work? An example would be a productivity app that only has a flip switch for High or Low productivity. Whenever you need to be extra productive, just open the app and set it to High.

It wouldn't be just placebo though. Clearly separating time when you want to be productive vs playing around is an old and effective trick. Placebo apps that make your Internet faster are as old as the Internet itself though. I am guilty. In my defense, that was 20 years ago.

I'm not 100% certain of how the medical/psychological community would define 'placebo', but I'd argue it's not as simple as this not being a placebo because it's an effective trick.

The fact that placebos are effective is precisely /because/ they're effectively tricking whatever badly-understood connection there is between our thinking and our body. I imagine that there are degrees to this: 'tricking' ourselves to be productive by deciding to clean our house instead would generally not be called a placebo, whereas taking a sugar pill that lifts us out of depression probably would.

But fundamentally they're just the same thing on a spectrum: an improvement as a result of something that we /know/ should not be effective by understood, biological pathways.

Re: Unboxing a 5G Protection Device

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Post by cskinner »

AstralStorm wrote: post #35
metrokoi wrote: post #11

I wonder if there would be a market for actual electromagnetic shielding products, such as some sort of conductive paint for walls and ceilings? Of course, you could not use your phone or other devices, but it could be useful for the bedroom. A good way to have a guaranteed "do-not-disturb" zone as well!

The market is there, schools would love this technology. The problem is that simple thin coat of aluminized paint is super expensive, as is a big mesh. And phones are very effective at getting the low signals through any available hole in filter coverage.

And will ramp their transmit power up to do so.

Re: Unboxing a 5G Protection Device

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Post by jcun4128 »

stinos wrote: post #56
jcun4128 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unrelated: was thinking how it would be possible to truly prove uniqueness eg. by DNA but it seems everything can be spoofed. One way to avoid it is computation eg. captcha but yeah sucks. This thought related to online voting. I do find it interesting the desire to harm/screw other people over and feel no remorse. Like those scams getting busted in certain places eg. fake virus support. People show up to their actua…

I do find it interesting the desire to harm/screw other people over and feel no remorse I'm not sure this is the driving force here, especially when your description sort of fits the worst psychopaths, and I can think of other principles these people live by which aren't necessarily driven by such 'evil' forces. E.g. desire to survive (==food/shelter) which in modern society usually translates to desire to earn money…

> actually help people so from their point of view

Hmm I did not think of that. My rant was mostly about scams where you know it's a lie eg. a fake virus and then you proceed to convince someone they have to pay you money to fix this problem you made up.

But yeah I see your point about the need to make money too in this particular situation(what I'm talking about) it is a fast way to make a lot of money.

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