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What’s New in Thunderbird 78

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Re: What’s New in Thunderbird 78

#81

I've started using Thunderbird again after months of trying literally every other solution on the market. I wanted to switch from Outlook and Gmail to something that is fast, has good keyboard support and a good message editor. It's incredible how slow most of the email clients on the market are. What's even more incredible is that, apart from Outlook, none of the other clients offer a good way of editing tables prop…

It's incredible how shitty ALL email clients for Windows are, except for Thunderbird. Of course, Mozilla had to abandon it...

Re: What’s New in Thunderbird 78

#82

I really wish TB would store mails in Maildir by default and operate on that storage according to the standard so that the local mailstore becomes compatible with other mail clients. Right now one can manually switch the storage to maildir, but it is not safe to use that storage with other maildir compatible software.

Isn't Maildir too wasteful?

Re: What’s New in Thunderbird 78

#83
post #81

I've started using Thunderbird again after months of trying literally every other solution on the market. I wanted to switch from Outlook and Gmail to something that is fast, has good keyboard support and a good message editor. It's incredible how slow most of the email clients on the market are. What's even more incredible is that, apart from Outlook, none of the other clients offer a good way of editing tables prop…

It's incredible how shitty ALL email clients for Windows are, except for Thunderbird. Of course, Mozilla had to abandon it...

Great to see a headline like this again. But even if you had frozen Thunderbird how it was, it would still beat other mail solutions. I can live with Outlook/Exchange in my corporate environment, but it still cannot compete.

Re: What’s New in Thunderbird 78

#84
I keep swinging between dislike and acceptance with Thunderbird.

It feels old, clunky and cludgy. And not in a good way (the way Vim is old, but still marvellous, or mutt is cludgy but still Just Works Everywhere).

The UI feels horribly out of place (on my vanilla Ubuntu), the UX is terribly inconsistent and after -I think- 10+ years of using it, I still have to search where to find stuff. Daily.

I've been comparing it with each and every option for the Ubuntu desktop and even webmail. Clients like Geary[1] or Roundcube [2].

Those are often unfinished; I guess mail clients are like many other software-challenges in that regard: it's easy to make the basics, the 90% that 90% of the people need. It's doable to make those basics really good (see all the webmail, electron mail and other mail clients). But it is really hard to do the last 10%, because each of the individual users has a different 10%.

And so, I find I love the UX of Geary and use Roundcube often for its simplicity and "Getting Stuff Done". But I also find that I keep going back to Thunderbird, because is only there. But, boy, it annoys me how cludgy and convoluted thunderbird then feels.

Edit: forgot to mention that a lot of the 10% things in Thunderbird are severely in my way, daily. I have an RSS reader - why is there one in Thunderbird taking up mental (and memory) space, I don't ever use the built-in IM (is it jabber?), the calendar and todo-tasks feature I don't use, but they attempt to manage my agenda/invites anyway, making me miss an occasional meeting even. I'm sure other people find the GPG being severely in the way (part of the 10% that I use often) or that archiving and offline features are clumsy, confusing and making people miss emails (another feature I often use).

-- [1] https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Geary [2] https://roundcube.net/

Re: What’s New in Thunderbird 78

#85

Just FIY the winmail.dat (the horrible Microsoft email format) plugin LookOut (Fix Version) has not been updated for this release and unless someone jumps in to help Probably wont be updated. https://github.com/TB-throwback/LookOut-fix-version/ I was maintaining it but haven't been able to find time to work on the upgrade. There was talk in the dev mailing list about adding TNEF support but that probably wont happen…

Thank you for maintaining the extension until now!

Sadly the improperly configured Outlook clients are still not extinct in some of the organizations we work with. Does anyone know a good guide (with screenshots would be ideal) of the settings they would have to change?

Re: What’s New in Thunderbird 78

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post #82

I really wish TB would store mails in Maildir by default and operate on that storage according to the standard so that the local mailstore becomes compatible with other mail clients. Right now one can manually switch the storage to maildir, but it is not safe to use that storage with other maildir compatible software.

Isn't Maildir too wasteful?

In what way?

Re: What’s New in Thunderbird 78

#87

I've started using Thunderbird again after months of trying literally every other solution on the market. I wanted to switch from Outlook and Gmail to something that is fast, has good keyboard support and a good message editor. It's incredible how slow most of the email clients on the market are. What's even more incredible is that, apart from Outlook, none of the other clients offer a good way of editing tables prop…

Gmail has great keyboard support. Just press ? And see for yourself. Used with https://github.com/jiahaog/nativefier I find it to be a great client

Re: What’s New in Thunderbird 78

#88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

try set your GTK theme to a dark variant. eg start thunderbird with GTK_THEME= :dark in my case it's GTK_THEME=Arc:dark

Thanks ! That works wonderfully !

I suggest you also install lxappearance to set the theme globally

Re: What’s New in Thunderbird 78

#89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thunderbird is GTK. Does it not work if you configure a dark GTK theme?

I'm using i3wm, so I thought there's no way to do it. But a friendly user showed me the env variable to set in a comment after this one.

You can configure GTK regardless of your WM. xmonad here.

Re: What’s New in Thunderbird 78

#90
In some of the screenshots the old version looked better than the new version, especially with regard to how everything nowadays needs to be "flat". It lacks the visual feedback of buttons, which can be "pressed in" and that can be annoying. Also I dislike how every button now seems to be bigger and everything needs to be in "tiles" instead of simple links or buttons.

I think in general I simply dislike "material design".

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