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Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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> “Estrogen is not a treatment for ODD. I can’t be more emphatic about that,” McGough said. “You won’t find a reference anywhere that supports the use of estrogen for ODD.” Well certainly the doctor got this theory from someplace. They believed this young man would be better behaved if he had less testosterone and more estrogen, and went ahead with a treatment against scientific evidence (and ethics quite frankly). S…

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> that I despair at the reports I keep getting from the USA. ARe things realy getting that bad? The US press is pretty good at finding the bad reports. So count them - then count the population, and realize that, while even 1 case is too many, as a percentage, this kind of horrible stuff is very rare.

Indeed. There was a pediatric cardiac surgeon in Winnipeg whose incompetence lead to the deaths of 12 children.[1] It got to the point that other physicians wouldn't even admit cardiac patients to keep them away from this doctor. Massive failures at every point in the system. Last I heard he's working at UCLA now. There are bad actors everywhere. We don't condemn the Canadian healthcare system because of people like…

I googled the name of the malpracticing surgeon, and found a LinkedIn profile for a surgeon who works at UCLA has the same name as the surgeon in Winnipeg, but the other details don't match. I think these are two different people.

Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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Gender is not a social construct. Your gender is the ability to become pregnant or to impregnate someone. This statement is not about politics, its just mere biology. What's socially constructed is how your gender is presented or implied because of said society. No matter how society "constructs" your gender, you're still biologically male or female. Even with gender reassignment surgery - your'e still biologically m…

This man is stating a tautology and is yet being downvoted as it hurts peoples feelings. This is absurd, I thought that hn was better than this. Sense of entitlement and self delusion is simply out of control, and I mostly blame the modern college system that has failed the latest generations of young men so badly that they cannot function in reality. They are slaves to perceptions and marketing while proclaiming and…

However he is exactly wrong. Check the dictionary “ either of the two sexes (male and female), especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones”. Gender is the term used when talking about the social construction.

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I'm sure you intended to be respectful with your comment, but why are women changing their bodies to match their gender superior to men changing their bodies to match their gender?

Nobody said anything about "superior". Men changing their bodies to match their gender are generally not prescribed estrogen, so it doesn't make sense to reference them in the context of people being prescribed estrogen, that's all.

you're really quite sure that trans women are not offered estrogen?

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Gender is not a social construct. Your gender is the ability to become pregnant or to impregnate someone. This statement is not about politics, its just mere biology. What's socially constructed is how your gender is presented or implied because of said society. No matter how society "constructs" your gender, you're still biologically male or female. Even with gender reassignment surgery - your'e still biologically m…

This man is stating a tautology and is yet being downvoted as it hurts peoples feelings. This is absurd, I thought that hn was better than this. Sense of entitlement and self delusion is simply out of control, and I mostly blame the modern college system that has failed the latest generations of young men so badly that they cannot function in reality. They are slaves to perceptions and marketing while proclaiming and…

The poster above is being down voted because they are not using the proper terms. What they are talking about is called sex, with gender explicitly being the socially constructed notion usually based on biological sex.

Further, they are using a bad definition of biological sex anyway, as 'people who can impregnate' and 'people who can give birth' is limiting (many cis men can't impregnate for various reasons, and no cis woman can give birth after a certain age, or before a certain age).

The rest of your own comment is low-effort claims with no connection to the topic at hand.

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So post-menopausal people are genderless? (If you say "but they were women, so we define them as continuing to be women," then I"m going to ask you about congenital azoospermia.)

Post-menopausal women still have internal organs which indicate their sex.

And a child born without hips? Are they genderless?

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Nobody said anything about "superior". Men changing their bodies to match their gender are generally not prescribed estrogen, so it doesn't make sense to reference them in the context of people being prescribed estrogen, that's all.

you're really quite sure that trans women are not offered estrogen?

Trans men are not offered estrogen. Which is what the parent is saying.

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How should one phrase that sentence without it becoming completely confusing? Would it be offensive to say "a person with an x and y chromosome"? Even though gender is only a social construct... for some reason, taking estrogen will have totally different effects on a person, depending on that gender.

Gender is not a social construct. Your gender is the ability to become pregnant or to impregnate someone. This statement is not about politics, its just mere biology. What's socially constructed is how your gender is presented or implied because of said society. No matter how society "constructs" your gender, you're still biologically male or female. Even with gender reassignment surgery - your'e still biologically m…

Hermaphrodites invalidate this argument.
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