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Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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coronadisaster wrote: post #157
non-entity wrote: post #8

> Prior to that, Ouchi said, his client felt compelled to take the pills because he feared that disobeying Wang would have a detrimental effect on his pending criminal case. Makes you wonder what all kind of shady medical shit is done in jails and prisons.

I have seen a cop order a medic to give sedative to a human that was being choked by said cops for more than 10 minutes (he was basically already dead when they injected him). Search for Tony Timpa on Youtube if you want to see the video. And they were joking while killing him. And last but not least, they all kept their jobs. All humans can be bastards.

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Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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Post by anonAndOn »

ralmidani wrote: post #127

In the US, the criminal justice system is not concerned primarily with reforming criminals or deterring future crimes. It’s concerned mostly with making the lives of people convicted or accused of crimes (many of whom are innocent or otherwise had extenuating circumstances) absolutely miserable, retribution taken to the extreme (tangentially, I’m not against retribution in principle, but don’t think it should always…

Let us not forget the 13th Amendment to the US Constitution. Involuntary servitude was abolished in the US for everyone except prisoners.

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Post by syshum »

ponsin wrote: post #188
syshum wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Retribution should not be a part of any justice system. As retribution is not justice. Restitution, Rehabilitation and isolation should be the 3 goals of a true justice system. Victims should have a path to restitution when possible (some crimes this is not) Criminals should have a path to rehabilitation when possible (some crimes this is not) For when the other 2 fail, Isolation is the final step, isolation means we…

Retribution is needed to prevent vigilante justice and to cause fear to potential criminals. Remember the story of the drunk driver who killed several people in a crash [0]? He was "punished" by going to a club med like rehab facility where he was taught about the wrongs of his actions by horse back riding. Imagine if all drunk drivers were punished that way? 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethan_Couch

I am not familiar with the case you are speaking of, and often times people over state what happens in minimum security facilities

also I see you one of many that confuse rehabilitation with giving people a slap on the hand, or "club med" type of facilities.

Retribution is in no way needed to prevent Vigilantism (Vigilantism is never justified or justice). Actual justice, and restitution prevents that just fine.

Rehabilitation has many aspects, and in the case of addiction it would include a medical and psychological treatment for that addiction

There has never been any study that shows tossing a person in a prison with no treatment does anything to solve the underlying issue which just leads to recidivism, in the case of a drunk driver, it is likely they they were caught many many times leading up to their imprisonment, this highlights the failure of the retribution system and where a rehabilitation system would achieve a better outcome

Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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Post by jjeaff »

pgcj_poster wrote: post #164
floatingatoll wrote: post #116

This doctor must lose their medical license for life. At best they are wildly incompetent, at worst they are maliciously inflicting harm upon a teen for personal or political reasons. Giving estrogen to men usually causes irreversible sterility for life . The doctor would have known this. The pharmacist would have known this. That they chose to proceed with the risk of sterilizing a boy without notifying his parents…

> men pursuing a change in gender are expected to sign their name or initial in the box at least ten times in a row in order to receive their prescription This is not true, at least not anywhere I've gotten Estradiol. Also, while I'm sure you intended to be respectful with your comment, most people getting this treatment see themselves as women who are changing their bodies to match their gender, not as men who are c…

How should one phrase that sentence without it becoming completely confusing?

Would it be offensive to say "a person with an x and y chromosome"?

Even though gender is only a social construct... for some reason, taking estrogen will have totally different effects on a person, depending on that gender.

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Post by aidenn0 »

jjeaff wrote: post #195
pgcj_poster wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> men pursuing a change in gender are expected to sign their name or initial in the box at least ten times in a row in order to receive their prescription This is not true, at least not anywhere I've gotten Estradiol. Also, while I'm sure you intended to be respectful with your comment, most people getting this treatment see themselves as women who are changing their bodies to match their gender, not as men who are c…

How should one phrase that sentence without it becoming completely confusing? Would it be offensive to say "a person with an x and y chromosome"? Even though gender is only a social construct... for some reason, taking estrogen will have totally different effects on a person, depending on that gender.

It's always going to be confusing but I believe "transgender woman" is unambiguously someone assigned male gender at birth who identifies as a woman.

Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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Post by Icyphox »

pgcj_poster wrote: post #184

There's an evil part of me that thinks we should do something like this to most men. It's well known that testosterone increases aggression. We neuter most male mammals that humans have to interact with because they're too dangerous otherwise. It stands to reason that chemically castrating male humans would also make them a lot less dangerous. If we could bring down male crime levels to that of women, it would elimin…

I puked in my mouth after reading this. Didn't expect this level of retardation on HN.

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Post by ponsin »

syshum wrote: post #194
ponsin wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Retribution is needed to prevent vigilante justice and to cause fear to potential criminals. Remember the story of the drunk driver who killed several people in a crash [0]? He was "punished" by going to a club med like rehab facility where he was taught about the wrongs of his actions by horse back riding. Imagine if all drunk drivers were punished that way? 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethan_Couch

I am not familiar with the case you are speaking of, and often times people over state what happens in minimum security facilities also I see you one of many that confuse rehabilitation with giving people a slap on the hand, or "club med" type of facilities. Retribution is in no way needed to prevent Vigilantism (Vigilantism is never justified or justice). Actual justice, and restitution prevents that just fine. Reha…

Added source of the case to the OP. And yes, retribution is designed to prevent vigilantism. As that is psychology I can't really give a better source than [0]. Obviously retribution is not meant to go by itself, but along with rehabilitation.

0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retributive_justice#Purposes

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Post by jazzyjackson »

pgcj_poster wrote: post #184

There's an evil part of me that thinks we should do something like this to most men. It's well known that testosterone increases aggression. We neuter most male mammals that humans have to interact with because they're too dangerous otherwise. It stands to reason that chemically castrating male humans would also make them a lot less dangerous. If we could bring down male crime levels to that of women, it would elimin…

Maybe keep that kind of evil thought to yourself next time

Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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Post by soulofmischief »

ardit33 wrote: post #65
swayvil wrote: post #46

"oppositional defiant disorder" That's what they call mouthy rebels these days

no, that's what they usually call young 'psychopaths' that act out, aka 'sociopaths'... there is a high correlation between the two, but no psychologist wants to label a kid as a sociopath... I had one, in class (5th or 6th grade), and I remember the experience was eye opening. Teachers had to spend a copius amount of energy just to keep him in check.... his behavior would oscillate between funny/to scary dangerous w…

Psychopathy and sociopathy are two markedly different disorders, despite sharing some common symptoms. It would be prudent the difference between the two before assuming an authoritative stance on APD.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/wicked-deeds/201801/...

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