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This reads like the plot of a dystopian young adult sci-fi novel. Children who resist authority being diagnosed with a "behavioural disorder" and being forcibly given hormones by an evil doctor. Yet apparently this is the reality of modern society.
It's been a while since I've done biology, but if the boy was ingesting estrogen in a pill form, doesn't that also put additional strain on the liver?
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> Yet apparently this is the reality of modern society. This news article exists because it’s an exception, not the rule. Don’t confuse this with normal or common treatment. Even one case is too many, obviously, but it’s not the norm.
Don’t confuse this with normal or common treatment What are these normal treatments? Pharmaceuticals like Ritalin and Adderall? Asking because I don’t know not that I’m taking this anywhere, but when people talk about behavioral control of children acting out of line with some kind of “norm”, I’m uneducated as to what the norm is or what the status quo for this is. What I do know (via anecdotes of having sister who w…
It's well known that testosterone increases aggression. We neuter most male mammals that humans have to interact with because they're too dangerous otherwise. It stands to reason that chemically castrating male humans would also make them a lot less dangerous. If we could bring down male crime levels to that of women, it would eliminate the majority of all violent crime.
Of course, we'd need some uncastrated men for reproduction and jobs that require a lot of physical strength. But in the developed world, that would probably be a small percentage.
Some women might find men less attractive that way... but I think others would like a guy who's more sensitive, has less male-pattern baldness, and has to put in an equal amount of work to orgasms.
Some men would probably experience gender dysphoria, but I'm sure they could experiment with dosages to find a sweet spot that would be tolerable, and there are anti-androgens that can be taken without estrogen or with a very low dose of it. Also, if some cis people got gender dysphoria, maybe they'd finally start taking trans people seriously.
Obviously, this would be wrong for the same reason as eugenics... but I can't manage to dismiss the thought that it would be a good idea on a practical level.
> Prior to that, Ouchi said, his client felt compelled to take the pills because he feared that disobeying Wang would have a detrimental effect on his pending criminal case. Makes you wonder what all kind of shady medical shit is done in jails and prisons.
I have seen a cop order a medic to give sedative to a human that was being choked by said cops for more than 10 minutes (he was basically already dead when they injected him). Search for Tony Timpa on Youtube if you want to see the video. And they were joking while killing him. And last but not least, they all kept their jobs. All humans can be bastards.
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> The boy’s father said the hormone therapy has had a long-term effect on his son, who now scares easily and has become antisocial. “He’s like a different person. He just wants to be in his room, and he don’t come out for nothing, all day in his room,” the father said. “He was never like that.” How could one possibly discern this from the effects of going through juvie in general. I'd certainly feel betrayed by socie…
An adolescent boy grows breasts and then wants to stay in his room all day. It could well be all about body shame, trying to protect himself from social trauma. The rate of suicide among people who transition on purpose is so extremely high. What must it be among people who are transitioned by force.
Suicide rates among people who transition are generally correlated with minority stress [1,2], not transition itself: "The myth that transition leads to SITBs continues to be used to deny transgender health care access and legislative rights, despite a lack of empirical support for this position and repeated research debunking it." (SITB= suicidal thoughts and behaviors) [3]
1: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6813817/
2: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5178031/
3: https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/pdf/10.1089/trgh.2019.0009
There's an evil part of me that thinks we should do something like this to most men. It's well known that testosterone increases aggression. We neuter most male mammals that humans have to interact with because they're too dangerous otherwise. It stands to reason that chemically castrating male humans would also make them a lot less dangerous. If we could bring down male crime levels to that of women, it would elimin…
It’s so upsetting for me to read this that I’m feeling unable to articulate why.
Not to mention the fact that you’ve posted this in the context of a story where a child’s life was harmed by such a nonconsensual procedure.
In the US, the criminal justice system is not concerned primarily with reforming criminals or deterring future crimes. It’s concerned mostly with making the lives of people convicted or accused of crimes (many of whom are innocent or otherwise had extenuating circumstances) absolutely miserable, retribution taken to the extreme (tangentially, I’m not against retribution in principle, but don’t think it should always…
Retribution should not be a part of any justice system. As retribution is not justice. Restitution, Rehabilitation and isolation should be the 3 goals of a true justice system. Victims should have a path to restitution when possible (some crimes this is not) Criminals should have a path to rehabilitation when possible (some crimes this is not) For when the other 2 fail, Isolation is the final step, isolation means we…
Something doesn't add up with this story and I suspect it's going to come out in the lawsuit. If the doctor REALLY did want to lower testosterone levels in the 16 year old, there's a slew of medications that would have been more effective (Spiro, Lupron, Bica, etc). That amount of Estradiol isn't going to do much to lower T levels.