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TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months

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Post by pm90 »

kortilla wrote: post #229
pm90 wrote: post #188

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The US is neither a stable democracy (incredible levels of partisanship and voter suppression) nor does it have an independent judiciary (justices even in SCOTUS mostly vote around party lines on issues of voting ie power). The most popular media network is Fox News which is openly subservient to the President. The uptick or racism is not minor either. Racism has been embedded in the American way of life and the figh…

> So please don’t give me crap about China when our country is at the precipice of losing its status as a Democracy. I’m not sure you know what the phrase “at the precipice” means, but the US isn’t even close to losing it. The separation of duties between the state and the federal government in conjunction with the branches of government means that even a fully compromised election for one of the positions cannot tak…

By the objective criteria that the current POTUS retains his office despite ample, credible evidence of committing impeachable offenses. By the objective fact that he continue to commit more such offenses routinely and Americans seem almost numb to how unusual it is anymore. The precipice is the upcoming election, which if the current POTUS wins, will signal the de facto end of Democracy in the US, as he and his cronies will consolidate their power and forever remake the institutions that are supposed to keep democracy functioning (Federal Agencies, Judiciary, Education, EPA etc).

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

FooBarWidget wrote: post #88
starfallg wrote: post #10

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Yeah, but Russia is so isolated these days that pitting anything non-Russian vs. something else non-Russian is almost guaranteed to be advantageous to Russia. That also doesn't change the fact that long term, China is the biggest threat to liberal democracies. In terms of geopolitics, Russia is actually quite complementary to China due to its large area having an abundance of resources to feed Chinese factories and b…

Why would China be a threat to liberal democracies? I get that people don't like the fact that China is not democratic, but how does that suddenly turn into a threat?

China is trying very hard to shut down all criticism of China and/or the CCP, worldwide. That makes China a threat to free speech worldwide.

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Post by dirtyid »

bserge wrote: post #107

I'm actually cautiously excited about new competition in high end semiconductor fabrication. Huawei and China won't just sit around twiddling their thumbs, they've got to manufacture chips somehow/somewhere.

EU is trying to enter the game as well.

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/SPEECH...

>But putting a halt to a decrease is not enough. Now we must invest massively, with the objective to produce in Europe high performance processors (with a 2 to 3nm of feature size) and reach 20% of the world capacity in value.

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Post by ytch »

Nokinside wrote: post #28

What this means is that TSMC stops producing Huawei designed chips. Huawei has to buy third party designed and manufactured chips, most likely MediaTek. Manufactured in TSMC factories but not Huawei designed or Huawei owned IP.

IIRC, if you want to use 5G/4G with MTK chip, you need to pay license fee to QCOM? and US can still ban this.

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Post by joe_the_user »

tomp wrote: post #240
joe_the_user wrote: post #219

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In China, even a billionaire can be crushed by the state - for corruption, for being a power rival or for speaking out against state policy. In the US, a certain level of person has nearly carte blanche against scandal, against being accused of crimes or pursuing pathological policy positions. Of course, in the US, a small person's life can be snuffed out if they annoy the wrong cop and their life can be made miserab…

Oh come on man (woman?), this comment is completely disingenuous. You're comparing 2 completely different things. Is US / the West fair? Not by a long shot. Tons of shitty stuff happening, from George Floyd, to Harvey Weinstein, to Jeffrey Epstein, to Julian Assange. But at least we know about them. But compared to China? You won't even hear about the "small person's life". I'm sure life in China can be great, unless…

Tons of shitty stuff happening, from George Floyd, to Harvey Weinstein, to Jeffrey Epstein, to Julian Assange. But at least we know about them.

I would prefer live in the West also. I also know a lot of people in the world value security over free expression.

Just as much, I'm reasonably sophisticated in my reading of the news and the open expression here allows me to pick the truth reasonably easily out of a stream of lies. But the stream of lies is there, every day I encounter people online who instead fall for the stream of shrill claim sloshing around both the Internet (aside from Murdock crap, you have "Russian Bounties", etc). Again, the US still looks better to me but the way things are going, the US is not doing a good job selling it's model.

Of course, if you mention Epstein, everyone here knows about him but few-to-no US paper, "pedophile, apparently murdered in prison by persons unknown" and people in China know often know the operations of the state to that degree, at points when the real story is obvious and the state isn't that concerned. Admittedly, there are stories about prison officials moving Maxwell around the prison to prevent her from also being murdered - but directly calling officials for Epstein's murder, not visible (no, I don't miss him but his murder was clearly to protect the guilty and nations should pretend the rule of law at least).

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Post by throw51319 »

russli1993 wrote: post #251
mlindner wrote: post #137

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The CCP is incredibly war mongering. Any look at 20th century history would tell you that. What is it with so many people reporting constant misinformation about the CCP into hacker news threads recently.

CCP is formed from people who wants to defend China's interests and defend the country from imperial powers of Japan, British, France and more. CCP fought wars to defend the country, it is the imperial powers that invaded China in the first place, and they thought to divide the land, the rich resources and colonize all of the Chinese people. Who is war mongering? Are we reading the same 20th century history? What abo…

What proof do you have that China is all about sovereignty and border disputes?

Why are they in Africa and selling advanced surveillance technology to countries?

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Post by sudosysgen »

vorpalhex wrote: post #125
sudosysgen wrote: post #92

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Yes. But I don't think that giving more power to the US Empire will be better for human rights long term. The US and it's client states also kill millions of people for profit.

Do.. you have a citation for that?

Have we already forgotten the Iraq War? Syria? Lybia? Vietnam? All of these wars based on lies that covered for profits and killed millions?

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

mcqueenjordan wrote: post #87
mclightning wrote: post #74

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US to care about human rights is not necessarily a precursor condition for this set of events to be eventually better for human rights.

Exactly. I think Noam Chomsky said something along these lines: I cannot think of a case where a nation intervened in or influenced another country in a purely disinterested humanitarian fashion. That doesn't mean national interests cannot coincide with good outcomes, though.

Kosovo? The US didn't seem to have much in the way of interests there.

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Post by xenihn »

euix wrote: post #116

The founder of SMIC on the mainland is actually Taiwanese and a former TSMC executive. Loyalties cut across the strait both ways, westerners overemphasis attachment to values and ideology over bloodlines and ancestry. It's true for some but not for others. There are quite a lot of foreign engineers working on the mainland, especially Taiwanese engineers. If you are a industry vet or got some kind of special talent yo…

Anecdotal, but...I don't know a single person who is interested in either returning to China or starting a new life there, and my social circles are overwhelmingly Chinese of all types (born here or Vancouver, moved here in grade school and grew up here, moved here for grad school, moved here as H1-Bs from PRC/Taiwan/HK/SG). For the ones who did not grow up here, they're predominantly from Beijing and Shanghai, with rich parents and connections back home.

My girlfriend (Beijing-born, came over as a grad student and stayed) has told me several horror stories of her time spent working as a SWE in China and Singapore. Based on her experiences, it seems like women should be especially disinterested in returning.

For the record, I would be ok with living in China for some time, or even relocating there long-term if/when the mantle is passed. Though I wouldn't do it without someone who speaks Mandarin.

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