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TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months

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Re: TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months

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For things like this there isn't a "the U.S." there's groups of people, interest groups, political economy, political will, etc. If China were rapidly liberalizing and didn't have stains on their reputation like the HK protest lockdowns, minority subjugation, and horrible prison conditions it would be a lot harder to push any of these changes through. As it stands, democrats and republicans are both turning hawkish o…

When I say "the U.S.", I mean the current admin and associated groups. It is fairly evident that the U.S. is worried about China putting it in a position where it's not as easy/effective to go around the world, exploit foreign natural resources under false pretenses and sanction "non-compliant" nations to the brink. It has absolutely 0 to do with human rights and all to do with economic power. As for Chinese domestic…

> As for Chinese domestic human rights, the thing is doing coups etc. as was done so many times in i.e. the Middle East and Latin America won't lead to a better outcome because a coup is a forceful, violent and sudden, unnatural event

There is a political theory that any transition from a repressive to an open society involves going through a risky zone of instability:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_J_Curve_(book)

Now if you consider that this involves a country of 1.5B people, and take into account past experience with radical political changes (e.g. the Cultural Revolution), it seems that even for the most enlightened political leadership, both domestic and foreign, there may not be any easy answers how to proceed.

Re: TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months

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The founder of SMIC on the mainland is actually Taiwanese and a former TSMC executive. Loyalties cut across the strait both ways, westerners overemphasis attachment to values and ideology over bloodlines and ancestry. It's true for some but not for others. There are quite a lot of foreign engineers working on the mainland, especially Taiwanese engineers. If you are a industry vet or got some kind of special talent yo…

> On the mainland if you are a leading expert in this field or that, or belong to specific establishments (such as public security or state security) you cannot exit the country without permission from higher up the food chain.

Why don't you just call it what it is: A Prison!

Say no to political correctness!

Sure some may want to work in such an environment but this is modern day slavery. Nothing else!

Re: TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months

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post #116

The founder of SMIC on the mainland is actually Taiwanese and a former TSMC executive. Loyalties cut across the strait both ways, westerners overemphasis attachment to values and ideology over bloodlines and ancestry. It's true for some but not for others. There are quite a lot of foreign engineers working on the mainland, especially Taiwanese engineers. If you are a industry vet or got some kind of special talent yo…

Other than the money, you also need to count in the fact that as an Asian/Chinese you are not really that secure/free in the US especially now with a president saying Chinese Virus all the time.

Also, for a Chinese expat the path to permanent residency or citizenship is hard, so moving back would have that as a positive as well.

Re: TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months

#154

All these things seem like desperate moves from a failing empire. I don't believe for a second the U.S. cares about human rights here. That doesn't mean I think the CCP is 'good', but 2 things can be true at the same time. EDIT: typo

For things like this there isn't a "the U.S." there's groups of people, interest groups, political economy, political will, etc. If China were rapidly liberalizing and didn't have stains on their reputation like the HK protest lockdowns, minority subjugation, and horrible prison conditions it would be a lot harder to push any of these changes through. As it stands, democrats and republicans are both turning hawkish o…

Great countries were built on the backs of subjugated minorities and horrible prison conditions. By great countries I mean the US.

Re: TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months

#155
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It's wishful thinking to hope that people realize there's more in common than differences. Class/racial strife is the most effective bludgeon remaining, unlike traditional nations surrounded by enemies where suspicions can be inflamed effectively (ex: "It's the '-ists!'"). The Project Lincoln co-founder John Weaver is a registered foreign agent (Russia), a spy, endorsing a political candidate.

Your comment seems awfully misleading and inflammatory considering John Weaver publicly announced that he has cancelled the contract with ROSATOM and did not accept any money. Further, a “spy”? There’s no evidence of that.

Correct, I retract, FYI here's where he said it was a mistake (after signing) and not registering.

[1] https://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/444041-former-kasich...

Re: TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months

#157

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Yeah, but Russia is so isolated these days that pitting anything non-Russian vs. something else non-Russian is almost guaranteed to be advantageous to Russia. That also doesn't change the fact that long term, China is the biggest threat to liberal democracies. In terms of geopolitics, Russia is actually quite complementary to China due to its large area having an abundance of resources to feed Chinese factories and b…

Why would China be a threat to liberal democracies? I get that people don't like the fact that China is not democratic, but how does that suddenly turn into a threat?

Because we need to focus on an external enemy to divert our attention from our domestic problems.

Re: TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months

#158
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Well yeah, of course. Pretty much every US city is buried in homeless populations because human decency is off the table if there isn't a profit motive behind it. You can look at the glass is half full view of this, though - thanks to selfish interests an evil regime is being cut off from market access to spy on people around the world. Its of mutual benefit to the capitalists that saw this happen and the people whom…

The question for me is twofold. First, will isolating China from the US and it's client states actually do anything to make the CCP act in a way that will respect human rights more? I think it is pretty clear that won't be the case. Second of all, is the entity that stands to benefit actually going to be better for human rights? In this case it pretty much is a zero-sum game. This is a bit more debatable, but I don't…

The answers to both questions is no. Trying to isolate China will only make the lives of Chinese people worse and extinguish any hope of democracy in the medium term. But the US is terribly afraid of losing its grip on power, so it has to be.

Second, the country that is now invading the privacy everywhere in the world (anyone forgot Snowden?) and raging wars without end in sight is the country pretending to be for democracy. This only tells me that the only greatness we still have in the West is the ability to spread propaganda. Somehow, people can be easily convinced that all this is for the greater good.

Re: TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months

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post #116

The founder of SMIC on the mainland is actually Taiwanese and a former TSMC executive. Loyalties cut across the strait both ways, westerners overemphasis attachment to values and ideology over bloodlines and ancestry. It's true for some but not for others. There are quite a lot of foreign engineers working on the mainland, especially Taiwanese engineers. If you are a industry vet or got some kind of special talent yo…

This doesn’t make sense. > On the mainland if you are a leading expert in this field or that, or belong to specific establishments (such as public security or state security) you cannot exit the country without permission from higher up the food chain. That alone will be enough to deter people from moving to China for even 10x salary. Getting locked into an insane Han-supremacy regime is walking into the dragon’s mou…

> Getting locked into an insane Han-supremacy regime is walking into the dragon’s mouth with a torch.

I think he's referring to Han people studying/working overseas returning to their ethno-state. I can't imagine many non-Chinese would move to China instead of choosing to live in a fairer, rule of law Western democracy where the work is often better paid.

Re: TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months

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Russia is grossly overrated, it's a second rate power compared to US and China.

Economically, yes. But they are still strong in defence tech. They are not that easy to push around just by threat of a war.

Really second tier [1], just holding nuclear weapon [2] and good brainwashing by state media. Economically far behind [3]. Nothing to gain with direct confrontation, no TSMC in Crimea, wars for prestige should be successful.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_we...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nomi...

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