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U.S. attorney general: Hollywood, tech companies “pawns of Chinese influence”

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Re: U.S. attorney general: Hollywood, tech companies “pawns of Chinese influence”

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I'm not sure any major company has either 1) not done business with China or 2) not seriously tried to do business with China.

The massive emerging market there was too much of a $$$ opportunity for them to ignore.

Yes, there's a difference between, say, a fast food chain that tries to get a foot hold in China and a technology company that helps provide tools used to limit rights of free speech etc. However, this is a matter of degree, not kind.

All business with China that helps advance their economy helps to legitimize their regime, and also gives China a significant bit of influence over even companies' non-China businesses. When a company's business is China is so critical to lose that it will subject itself to China's will even outside of China, that company is complicit in the same way, just to a lesser degree, as these tech companies providing more direct support.

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Original title: "Attorney General Barr accuses Hollywood, Big Tech of collaborating with China"

I reverted it, but then reverted my reversion. The submitted title is marginally less baity, so I'm thinking ilamont did a good job of following the guideline: "Please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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> FYI, if you stand up two false straw men, you look like a collaborator with the CCP. You communist. This breaks the site guidelines—quite badly actually. Insinuating that someone is a "collaborator" is...well, it's hard to believe that we've returned to an age where people do this kind of thing, however trivially on the internet. Adding joke tags doesn't help much, and it's notable that you didn't wrap your entire…

It's clearly tongue in cheek, how can you not see that? I mean there are joke tags!

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Not going to address this post directly, but a quick glance at hungryhobo's comments shows that at least the first three pages (i.e. the most recent comments) are exclusively about defending the regime in China. If that's not trolling, I don't know what is.

Can't argue my point and has to resort to ad hominem, kinda figured. But I think it's just as important having people with different opinions on this platform, I think you kinda prove my point

> it's just as important having people with different opinions

Too bad the regime you defend isn't as enlightened as you are.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> FYI, if you stand up two false straw men, you look like a collaborator with the CCP. You communist. This breaks the site guidelines—quite badly actually. Insinuating that someone is a "collaborator" is...well, it's hard to believe that we've returned to an age where people do this kind of thing, however trivially on the internet. Adding joke tags doesn't help much, and it's notable that you didn't wrap your entire…

It's clearly tongue in cheek, how can you not see that? I mean there are joke tags!

"Adding joke tags doesn't help much, and it's notable that you didn't wrap your entire insinuation in them anyhow."

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What's the concern that's being identified in all these stories? It would be good to have an enumeration of clear concerns. Is it that: 1) the companies are letting Americans' hardware be controlled / data escape and be monitored in China, or 2) that people in China subject to their laws (un-American as those laws may be) are being monitored (and worse)? Because if it's the first topic, how do we not manage to buy/re…

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Robin Hood isn’t exactly in line with American principles either. Guy against the law robs from the rich to give to the poor. I feel like Peter Pan is the replacement figure.

Cultural manipulation is a little woolly, does it have other names you like?

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What's the concern that's being identified in all these stories? It would be good to have an enumeration of clear concerns. Is it that: 1) the companies are letting Americans' hardware be controlled / data escape and be monitored in China, or 2) that people in China subject to their laws (un-American as those laws may be) are being monitored (and worse)? Because if it's the first topic, how do we not manage to buy/re…

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Re: U.S. attorney general: Hollywood, tech companies “pawns of Chinese influence”

#118
There is so much to unpack here that it's difficult to even get started. The US government has encouraged companies to work with China for decades. I remember it being big news when GM opened a joint venture in China in 1997.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAIC-GM

The Clinton administration pushed hard to increase trade with China and make it easier for American companies to outsource manufacturing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States%E2%80%93China_Re...

This continued unabated through the Bush and Obama presidencies, even as it became increasingly clear that US relations with China were going off the rails. There were significant signs that the Chinese government was not playing fair, particularly around IP theft, but the legislative and executive branches did nothing visible about it. Hundreds or thousands of American companies (including google) were hacked into or had intellectual property stolen with no legal recourse.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fbi-probes-hundreds-of-china-s...

Chinese military groups also hacked into the employee database for the US federal government.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/exclusive-25-million-affected-opm-...

Tech companies, like google, are acutely aware that the current Chinese government is extremely capricious and will block an entire company from the country to incubate their own competitor. Many tech companies want to work in china, but of major american companies, they seem to be the most cautious.

Given all this context, for Barr to turn around and say that US tech companies are "pawns" is infuriating. Virtually every large american company needs clear laws on working with China. They are not getting those laws out of Congress or the Justice Department, and everyone is the worse for it.

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I detest Trump (voted for Clinton) and most, if not all, senior members of his administration, including Barr. But that doesn't prevent me from ultimately being OK with some of their statements/actions, even if they're all for the wrong reasons. The regime in China represents evil on a scale that is probably unprecedented in Earth's history, and anything that can stop or slow its world domination should be welcomed o…

do you find it kinda scary that you can hate a regime so much given that you've never been to said country? I'm 99% sure you've never been to China given what you wrote.

Have you? How many cameras are there in the train station from HK to GZ? I lost count at 50. How many times do you go through a complete search as you take the metro trains?

How many WeChat messages just never quite show up? Only pooh bear knows.

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It's clearly tongue in cheek, how can you not see that? I mean there are joke tags!

" Adding joke tags doesn't help much, and it's notable that you didn't wrap your entire insinuation in them anyhow. "

[edit] Retracting my unnecessary jab around the moderator's comments being modified several times and their moderation leaving a lot to be desired. The latter was rude and uncalled for.
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