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The AirPods Pro “Rattlegate”

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Re: The AirPods Pro “Rattlegate”

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Post by ZoomZoomZoom »

Razengan wrote: post #451
ZoomZoomZoom wrote: post #402

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with this kind of reasoning is that one does not need to champion a product to use it. Almost anything has issues, on the other hand not many brands have such a strong following claiming it's the best thing since sliced bread. My point is while Apple won millions of users (I very much doubt it's billions) it's a result of a much more elaborate strategy than just making and selling superior product, which…

> The problem with this kind of reasoning... But you're perfectly fine with the kind of reasoning that pooh poohs the preferences of billions of people as "Stockholm syndrome", oh please. > I very much doubt it's billions iOS alone has a billion users, and Apple has been around since 1976.

>But you're perfectly fine with the kind of reasoning that pooh poohs the preferences of billions of people as "Stockholm syndrome", oh please.

I never said all the users have it, I said the level is high. This comes from observations and experience, of course, not research, so I can't generalise to all users and I didn't.

> iOS alone has a billion users, and Apple has been around since 1976.

Billion of devices ≠ billion of users. C'mon, do you really think each 8th person in the world has some Apple device? Also, you said billionS, that's laughable.

Re: The AirPods Pro “Rattlegate”

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Post by Razengan »

ZoomZoomZoom wrote: post #461
Razengan wrote: post #451

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The problem with this kind of reasoning... But you're perfectly fine with the kind of reasoning that pooh poohs the preferences of billions of people as "Stockholm syndrome", oh please. > I very much doubt it's billions iOS alone has a billion users, and Apple has been around since 1976.

>But you're perfectly fine with the kind of reasoning that pooh poohs the preferences of billions of people as "Stockholm syndrome", oh please. I never said all the users have it, I said the level is high. This comes from observations and experience, of course, not research, so I can't generalise to all users and I didn't. > iOS alone has a billion users, and Apple has been around since 1976. Billion of devices ≠ bil…

> Billion of devices ≠ billion of users.

Source?

While you look that up, remember that devices like Macs and iPads are often actually shared by multiple users.

Claiming your observations and experience override statistics and many other people's preferences is what's laughable.

Re: The AirPods Pro “Rattlegate”

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Post by mvkel »

lmilcin wrote: post #128
personlurking wrote: post #62

Wow. I've had this same problem for months. I spent over an hour on the phone with Support just trying to describe the problem, until they came to the conclusion that there was absolutely no way to send me new ones or to have me send them my broken ones...because I live in Puerto Rico. The week prior, Apple had sent me a new cable for my phone in 2 days flat, yet when I had a problem, there was nothing they could do…

This is a very known feature of Apple, especially if you are subscribed to Louis Rossmann's channel. Basically, Apple is going to treat you first class only until you have a hardware problem. Not just allergic to any hardware needing repair, Apple will go out of their way to make your life miserable. At the very best their repair is to replace most of your device for a hefty price, at worst they will flat out refuse…

Very known? I’ve been buying Apple since 2001 and in that time have felt like first class in all interactions with the company, even the post-Jobs era. I know a few who think like you, but whose experience is relatively close to mine (they may have gotten a bad iPhone one year, etc.)

This sounds more like the usual “Apple is too expensive and just cares about profits” trope.

Re: The AirPods Pro “Rattlegate”

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Post by mvkel »

leokennis wrote: post #233

I always wonder with "gates" like this: how many people (what percentage) are affected? For example, I never had an issue ever with my AirPods Pro since I bought them six months ago. Does that make me the outlier? Or is it just that 1% have issues, but they are very vocal about it (for understanable reasons)?

I’m curious too. I bought the pros when they came out. While the water resistance continues to be terrible, I haven’t had audio issues

Re: The AirPods Pro “Rattlegate”

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Post by ZoomZoomZoom »

Razengan wrote: post #462
ZoomZoomZoom wrote: post #461

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>But you're perfectly fine with the kind of reasoning that pooh poohs the preferences of billions of people as "Stockholm syndrome", oh please. I never said all the users have it, I said the level is high. This comes from observations and experience, of course, not research, so I can't generalise to all users and I didn't. > iOS alone has a billion users, and Apple has been around since 1976. Billion of devices ≠ bil…

> Billion of devices ≠ billion of users. Source? While you look that up, remember that devices like Macs and iPads are often actually shared by multiple users. Claiming your observations and experience override statistics and many other people's preferences is what's laughable.

Maybe that's you who ought to show any numbers? You said billionS first. The only number I know is "1.5B active installations" which is not even an independent estimate but Tim Cook's boasting in Apple's quarter results. Even if each US and Canada citizen including toddlers had one Apple device (0.365B) I claim it still wouldn't drive the total number to 2B.

More numbers: Apple's market share for smartphones in China is estimated at 9%, so again, even if the market was all the population, it's still just 125m.

Judging from your submissions and posts you're heavily invested in Apple's ecosystem. It's easy to be biased in this situation and I don't blame you for that. Hope you're happy with their products and they truly make your life easier.

Re: The AirPods Pro “Rattlegate”

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Post by Razengan »

ZoomZoomZoom wrote: post #465
Razengan wrote: post #462

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Billion of devices ≠ billion of users. Source? While you look that up, remember that devices like Macs and iPads are often actually shared by multiple users. Claiming your observations and experience override statistics and many other people's preferences is what's laughable.

Maybe that's you who ought to show any numbers? You said billionS first. The only number I know is "1.5B active installations" which is not even an independent estimate but Tim Cook's boasting in Apple's quarter results. Even if each US and Canada citizen including toddlers had one Apple device (0.365B) I claim it still wouldn't drive the total number to 2B. More numbers: Apple's market share for smartphones in China…

You can easily look for independent estimates (or cold hard visitor/usage statistics) for the total iOS userbase.

Billions, billion, millions, million, thousands, thousand, hundreds or even just a hundred:

You came in snarling with the accusation that many people whom you don't even know, have Stockholm Syndrome, which really just hints at more of a problem on your side.

Re: The AirPods Pro “Rattlegate”

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Post by myopenid2 »

xnyan wrote: post #341
myopenid2 wrote: post #238

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Just grab a regular Bluetooth earphones then. Those $20 ones may seem to be too good to be true, but they work and sound great, and you can replace them on a whim if they do die. Source: owns a cheapass Soundpeat.

I worked for an electronics testing lab for several years and used about, um, maybe 20 pairs of different headphones. Bluetooth sucks and most people’s implementation of it sucks even more. Maybe I have bad luck but almost all Bluetooth devices I have used have been absolute garbage without apple’a OOB pairing.

Apple's OOB pairing works on their own hardware only. When used on non-iPhones the experience is the same as other generic BT earphones.

Re: The AirPods Pro “Rattlegate”

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Post by ZoomZoomZoom »

Razengan wrote: post #466
ZoomZoomZoom wrote: post #465

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe that's you who ought to show any numbers? You said billionS first. The only number I know is "1.5B active installations" which is not even an independent estimate but Tim Cook's boasting in Apple's quarter results. Even if each US and Canada citizen including toddlers had one Apple device (0.365B) I claim it still wouldn't drive the total number to 2B. More numbers: Apple's market share for smartphones in China…

You can easily look for independent estimates (or cold hard visitor/usage statistics) for the total iOS userbase. Billions, billion, millions, million, thousands, thousand, hundreds or even just a hundred: You came in snarling with the accusation that many people whom you don't even know, have Stockholm Syndrome, which really just hints at more of a problem on your side.

So, no hard data to support your claims, as expected.

>You came in snarling with the accusation

I just shared an observation. I may be wrong, and you have all the rights to disagree. You can't accuse a person with things done unknowingly and/or unwillingly, so no accusations here.

Re: The AirPods Pro “Rattlegate”

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Post by Razengan »

ZoomZoomZoom wrote: post #468
Razengan wrote: post #466

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can easily look for independent estimates (or cold hard visitor/usage statistics) for the total iOS userbase. Billions, billion, millions, million, thousands, thousand, hundreds or even just a hundred: You came in snarling with the accusation that many people whom you don't even know, have Stockholm Syndrome, which really just hints at more of a problem on your side.

So, no hard data to support your claims, as expected. >You came in snarling with the accusation I just shared an observation. I may be wrong, and you have all the rights to disagree. You can't accuse a person with things done unknowingly and/or unwillingly, so no accusations here.

> So, no hard data to support your claims, as expected.

https://lmgtfy.com/?q=ios+installed+user+base&s=d

Which one of these links do you need me to paste here for you?

Re: The AirPods Pro “Rattlegate”

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Post by Razengan »

rimliu wrote: post #362
talkingtab wrote: post #320

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I've started to notice a tremendous "herd mentality" I watched a school of fish the other day, how they just all swim together and suddenly thought "Apple Users". I probably do the same thing and someone could say "Apple Detractors". Is this new or am I only just now paying attention?

Why are you so obsessed with Apple users? There are plenty of cases where large numbers of people do something together.

Brand envy? Just flag GP's sorts of comments.
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