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Blind speakers gesture like their sighted counterparts: study (2016)

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1. We are born with the ability to gesture, and not something that is learned directly. So it is a in-born trait. You get the ability of speech, and gesturing tags along. (but most likely, evolutionary speaking, gesturing came first). 2. Gesturing is linked to speech/language. Different languages will have different gestures, not because they learned them, but by the grammatical structure/intonation of the language.…

I wonder what it is about Italian that leads to the stereotype, then?

It is not just Italians, but latin based languages (Spanish, French) are also known to use more gestures, while Germanic ones, a lot less... eg. German, Swedish folks almost come out as 'robotic' compared to Mediterranean countries.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder what it is about Italian that leads to the stereotype, then?

It is not just Italians, but latin based languages (Spanish, French) are also known to use more gestures, while Germanic ones, a lot less... eg. German, Swedish folks almost come out as 'robotic' compared to Mediterranean countries.

I speak English and Spanish and I have almost no hand gestures. But I see other English speakers that are mono-lingual and they have extensive hand gestures. I wonder what is up with that?

Re: Blind speakers gesture like their sighted counterparts: study (2016)

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1. We are born with the ability to gesture, and not something that is learned directly. So it is a in-born trait. You get the ability of speech, and gesturing tags along. (but most likely, evolutionary speaking, gesturing came first). 2. Gesturing is linked to speech/language. Different languages will have different gestures, not because they learned them, but by the grammatical structure/intonation of the language.…

I wonder what it is about Italian that leads to the stereotype, then?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chironomia ?

It's likely the gestures have as heavy an accent as the speech in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSTAAs1Y-38

(:futurama fry:) Not sure if codified gesture, or ancient meme format.

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It would be interesting to know if there is any difference in the types of gestures employed https://2012books.lardbucket.org/books/a-primer-on-communica... http://changingminds.org/explanations/behaviors/body_languag... I tend to use metaphoric gestures a lot by splitting complicated subjects up into groups, and then using gestures to illustrate the group I am discussing at the moment.

I've read that in ASL, one may establish a "pronoun" by signing in a location, and then using that location as an endpoint for further signs. Is this true?

Re: Blind speakers gesture like their sighted counterparts: study (2016)

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It would be interesting to know if there is any difference in the types of gestures employed https://2012books.lardbucket.org/books/a-primer-on-communica... http://changingminds.org/explanations/behaviors/body_languag... I tend to use metaphoric gestures a lot by splitting complicated subjects up into groups, and then using gestures to illustrate the group I am discussing at the moment.

I've read that in ASL, one may establish a "pronoun" by signing in a location, and then using that location as an endpoint for further signs. Is this true?

Yes

Re: Blind speakers gesture like their sighted counterparts: study (2016)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder what it is about Italian that leads to the stereotype, then?

It is not just Italians, but latin based languages (Spanish, French) are also known to use more gestures, while Germanic ones, a lot less... eg. German, Swedish folks almost come out as 'robotic' compared to Mediterranean countries.

I'm a Brazilian and I gesture a lot. People here in the US find it funny.

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1. We are born with the ability to gesture, and not something that is learned directly. So it is a in-born trait. You get the ability of speech, and gesturing tags along. (but most likely, evolutionary speaking, gesturing came first). 2. Gesturing is linked to speech/language. Different languages will have different gestures, not because they learned them, but by the grammatical structure/intonation of the language.…

I wonder what it is about Italian that leads to the stereotype, then?

I was just participating in a conference over Zoom. For most people it was enough to just listen to the audio and look at the slides on their shared screen. For the one Italian speaker, you really needed to watch her hand gestures as well to get the full effect of the talk.

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I went to high school in Japan for a year. Something that tripped me up for a while is the gesture for "come here". It's equivalent to the English gesture for "go away". (Try gesturing "go away" like you're shooing a bug away and "come here" like you want to tell someone a secret. Your hand flips 180 degrees, but it's basically the same gesture.)

What do they actually look like? I'm struggling to understand what two gestures are 180 degrees to each other.

Re: Blind speakers gesture like their sighted counterparts: study (2016)

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I went to high school in Japan for a year. Something that tripped me up for a while is the gesture for "come here". It's equivalent to the English gesture for "go away". (Try gesturing "go away" like you're shooing a bug away and "come here" like you want to tell someone a secret. Your hand flips 180 degrees, but it's basically the same gesture.)

My Indian coworkers shake their head side to side for yes and no. When I first starting working with them I was always a little mad that they never agreed with me until I realized what was going on. You can tell if it's yes or no depending on speed but thanks to covid WFH for months I've forgotten which is which. Going back to the office is going to be an adjustment.

It may also be a bit confusing to many people as Indians tend to gently wobble their head when someone is talking to show that they're listening. I believe it's a sign of respect.

Re: Blind speakers gesture like their sighted counterparts: study (2016)

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It would be interesting to know if there is any difference in the types of gestures employed https://2012books.lardbucket.org/books/a-primer-on-communica... http://changingminds.org/explanations/behaviors/body_languag... I tend to use metaphoric gestures a lot by splitting complicated subjects up into groups, and then using gestures to illustrate the group I am discussing at the moment.

I've read that in ASL, one may establish a "pronoun" by signing in a location, and then using that location as an endpoint for further signs. Is this true?

yes https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S002438411...
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