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What Location Tracking Looks Like

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Re: What Location Tracking Looks Like

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If anyone was like me and clicked back after they read the short quotes be sure to click through to here: http://www.zeit.de/datenschutz/malte-spitz-data-retention Quite cool, even though it is indeed scary.

Creepy, but I'd pay for this as a service! Would be a nice travel memento, for example.

Re: What Location Tracking Looks Like

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This makes me want to get a tinfoil hat. Now do I give up one of my most vital tools because someone knows where I am at almost all of the time? Do I trust the government to make sure this data is not misused? Or do just go all in and make sure the google, fb, twitter etc have it too and continue to whistle through the graveyard? There has to be a realistic middle ground to protect privacy but with the global data cl…

You can get a pay-go phone, sometimes with cheaper unlimited rates than AT&T and Verizon, although they won't subsidize the purchase of a nice smart phone. (And I'm not too happy with the data transfer speed on Boost.) This obviously wouldn't prevent against a targeted attack. If the phone company or the government wanted to track YOU specifically, they could probably figure out your phone number by looking at the ca…

I think there is a move afoot to have to sign and show ID to get a pay-go phone so that they can tie the number back to an individual.

Re: What Location Tracking Looks Like

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can get a pay-go phone, sometimes with cheaper unlimited rates than AT&T and Verizon, although they won't subsidize the purchase of a nice smart phone. (And I'm not too happy with the data transfer speed on Boost.) This obviously wouldn't prevent against a targeted attack. If the phone company or the government wanted to track YOU specifically, they could probably figure out your phone number by looking at the ca…

I think there is a move afoot to have to sign and show ID to get a pay-go phone so that they can tie the number back to an individual.

I got a prepaid SIM at t-mobile recently and they asked for id. You can buy unused sims and such although.

Re: What Location Tracking Looks Like

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd also like to know whether this information can be or has ever been used in court as evidence. "Where were you on the night of such and such...?" may become a question of the past. Frightening.

Oh yeah, it does get used in court in the US. I paid attention to a murder trial of a neighbor that happened nearly a decade ago, and they presented evidence of his cell tower connections contradicting his story of whether he was in a certain state at the time. It was by no means a substantial part of their case though, they were just piling things on. But yes, it's definitely admissible, I assume it happens all the…

Falls under the category of circumstantial evidence, which can certainly tip the balance beyond the "reasonable doubt" criteria if there is enough of it.

Re: What Location Tracking Looks Like

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I guess I don't have a big problem with this, law enforcement would need a warrant to get the information, and in most cases it would only confirm or repudiate what they already know or suspect. It's just a more convenient way to surveil a suspect, and for the suspect it's easier to counter: turn off your phone, or better yet leave it somewhere where you're not.

Re: What Location Tracking Looks Like

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I guess I don't have a big problem with this, law enforcement would need a warrant to get the information, and in most cases it would only confirm or repudiate what they already know or suspect. It's just a more convenient way to surveil a suspect, and for the suspect it's easier to counter: turn off your phone, or better yet leave it somewhere where you're not.

law enforcement would need a warrant to get the information

No, it doesn't.

https://www.eff.org/issues/nsa-spying

Re: What Location Tracking Looks Like

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post #26

I guess I don't have a big problem with this, law enforcement would need a warrant to get the information, and in most cases it would only confirm or repudiate what they already know or suspect. It's just a more convenient way to surveil a suspect, and for the suspect it's easier to counter: turn off your phone, or better yet leave it somewhere where you're not.

law enforcement would need a warrant to get the information No, it doesn't. https://www.eff.org/issues/nsa-spying

The NSA isn't a law enforcement agency. Rightly or wrongly, US intelligence agencies seem to have a rather different set of rules these days than the rest of us are following, including most law enforcement. Bottom line is if they're wanting to use it to convict you of a crime they'll need a warrant for it (before most judges, at least).

If you're worried about NSA (llegal) spying in general, presumably the carriers retaining the data only makes it a bit easier for them. Since the info will need to be traveling around the network while you're active, they could easily just intercept that like they intercepted the voice calls.

Re: What Location Tracking Looks Like

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post #26

I guess I don't have a big problem with this, law enforcement would need a warrant to get the information, and in most cases it would only confirm or repudiate what they already know or suspect. It's just a more convenient way to surveil a suspect, and for the suspect it's easier to counter: turn off your phone, or better yet leave it somewhere where you're not.

No warrant required. It's argued that this is transactional data, necessary to do business, so it's free for the taking.

This is the case that says so: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_v._Maryland

And these are the laws that allows it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECPA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stored_Communications_Act

Somewhat unrelated, but under current law (the two above) they can read your emails without warrant too, but this was a big step: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/12/breaking-news-eff-vict...

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