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Re: Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered inside New York condo

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Post by electro_blah »

devalgo wrote: post #279
escape_goat wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven't found any indication that he said anything against the Saudi regime. I brought it up because he appears to have been executed according to a professional (if bungled) plan reminiscent of the murder of Jamal Khashoggi by the Saudi state. I think it merits contemplation any time anyone with Saudi connections is professionally murdered and dismembered.

Sure but Khashoggi was a very high profile Journalist and Activist and that happened on Turkish soil. An assassination like that in the US would be a dramatic change in their behavior and politically very hazardous.

lol. dude, Turkish goons beat the shit out of American people in front of cameras and got way with it.

Re: Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered inside New York condo

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Post by electro_blah »

woko wrote: post #249

It reminds me of the killing of Jamal Khashoggi ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamal_Khashoggi ), and then this appears in the article. Coincidence? > According to a 2016 blog profile, Mr. Saleh was born in Saudi Arabia, and moved with his family quite a bit before settling in Rochester, N.Y., and, later, in Poughkeepsie, N.Y.

Maybe they are trying make it look like a Saudi hit job.

Re: Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered inside New York condo

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Post by stjohnswarts »

stefan_ wrote: post #238
flyingfences wrote: post #166

> The condos in the building are full-floor and the keyed elevator opens right into the apartment. Doesn't this mean that anybody with the [widely, publicly known] FDNY elevator override key can get right into the apartment? I've seen far too many physical pentesting talks (i.e. any at all) to trust a setup like that for my home in a city.

Okay, but most people are murdered by someone they knew (well).

Very true. You're much more likely to be killed by someone out of rage or mental illness than being mugged and then shot as a random victim.

Re: Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered inside New York condo

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Post by stjohnswarts »

jacquesm wrote: post #301
cyberlurker wrote: post #280

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First thing that comes to mind: What was the financial or other motivation behind Mohammed bin Salman killing Khashoggi? It's a power move. Putin does it too.

The degree to which the American president praises the dictators of this world makes you wonder if he wishes he could do it too.

I think he might if he thought he could get himself out of it someway. Look at how callous the administration has been about allowing covid to go wild without even blinking until lately. Tens of thousands of people dead for no reason, soon to be hundreds of thousands. It's a nightmare.

Re: Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered inside New York condo

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Post by 2squirrels »

esoterica wrote: post #284
baddox wrote: post #278

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I think there are a lot of people who wouldn’t break a window to steal from a house but who would steal from a house if they found the door key.

I really don't think so? It's an equally serious crime either way.

My friend used to live in a building like this. It is assumed that everyone else in the building is equally rich and also have their own floor, so they would be able to ride up with you as you would with them. The problem now with air BNB is that you don’t really know who’s supposed to be in the building or not as many of the residents list them when they are away, which is often(either visiting their other properties or travelling recreationally/for work).

These buildings also change hands, whether between family members, or just outright sales, more so if a unit in the building is currently for sale, someone could access the building by showing interest, not even with the real estate agent but just telling the doorman you have a viewing. You wouldn’t have to hack the elevator at all and I doubt this perpetrator did. It would take a pretty vigilant doorman to stop this/determine the identity and purpose of all visitors.

Most of the doormen are there to provide additional services to the residents, like having a cab waiting when they are on their way out and other small conveniences, not so much as gate keepers especially since 99.99% of the people entering are no cause for concern.

Re: Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered inside New York condo

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Post by stjohnswarts »

catalogia wrote: post #106
tsimionescu wrote: post #57

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Did they burn them with the drivers inside? If not, how is that comparable to killing and dismembering a human being?

Arson may not be murder, but comparing one violent felony to another doesn't seem too unreasonable to me.

It's definitely in the same direction if not the same league.

Re: Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered inside New York condo

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Post by jariel »

adenozine wrote: post #37
filleduchaos wrote: post #18

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It's worth noting that there was a sudden & pretty draconian regulation passed early this year that gutted Gokada's primary business (ridesharing on motorbikes). He was very passionate in his disagreement with the government's decision. The company pivoted pretty neatly (in my opinion) to last-mile deliveries instead - the pandemic certainly helped drive demand - but currently there's morbid speculation that potentia…

Okay, to play devil's advocate for a moment. What is there to gain financially from killing him, if his previous business was gutted by regulatory changes? The killer was evidently belonging to a highly capable skillset, and I'm extrapolating that they very nearly got away with his body in tow, and nobody would've been the wiser. Could they not have kidnapped him and ransomed the company? If there's financial qualms…

In some parts of the world, for some people, it was enough to want to kill him to actually do it. And in such a brutal way.

It doesn't have to be that complicated.

"The killer was evidently belonging to a highly capable skillset," - no, it's not skill, it's just the diabolical will to actually do such a thing. Depending on circumstances, there can be a lack of evidence ... and that's that.

Re: Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered inside New York condo

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Post by jariel »

tsimionescu wrote: post #57
slim wrote: post #34

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you'd be surprised. it seems he was getting death threats because of his business. disrupting established syndicates doing business transferring large amounts of cash everyday is risky. in France for example, taxi drivers burned Ubers in protest.

Did they burn them with the drivers inside? If not, how is that comparable to killing and dismembering a human being?

"If not, how is that comparable to killing and dismembering a human being?" The power differential isn't there either, the comparison would be 'head of Uber' not an 'Uber Driver'. Also, France is not Nigeria.

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Post by hevelvarik »

leephillips wrote: post #267
mlyle wrote: post #225

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It just says an "electric saw". Probably a reciprocating saw or something. You'd get even more attention from neighbors (who apparently heard a violent altercation, and didn't call police-- instead calling his sister??) using a chain saw.

The part about not calling the police is not that surprising. You call the NYPD if you would like everyone in the area shot and drugs and guns planted on the bodies. Otherwise, they're not very useful.

My goodness what has happened to this place

Re: Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered inside New York condo

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Post by filleduchaos »

melq wrote: post #337
filleduchaos wrote: post #132

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Personally I think it common sense that an out-of-state, local paper (the article is from ABC 7 Chicago) can hardly be taken as a primary source in a developing crime story - hence why I said "news coverage" and gave details.

Local papers are just about the best possible news source you can have. Not to mention they are the actual primary sources that your nebulous 'news coverage' would be relying on.

Are you just trying to be contrarian? How is a local paper in Chicago a primary source for a murder that took place in Manhattan?
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