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Linux Mint drops Ubuntu Snap packages

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Re: Linux Mint drops Ubuntu Snap packages

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Post by sergeykish »

Avamander wrote: post #530
sergeykish wrote: post #529

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your words > Name and shame > they should quit That's why I've called it harmful - choice between your complains and people writing code is obvious. Fork it, patch it, there is no burden - if people care maintainers would switch, if switched enough patch would get in upstream. Or provide own repository with patches, that's FOSS way. If not by yourself than sponsor. How much do you actually care? How much would you pa…

> Your words Without the rest of the context and no, criticism is not harmful. If it is a "sin" like you say, should we look at things you've said about FOSS projects? > Fork it, patch it, there is no burden Either you're delusional or you haven't done either of the things. > if people care maintainers would switch, if switched enough patch would get in upstream or provide own repository with patches, that's FOSS way…

So the answer is no, you will not pay.

Question was not rhetorical - it is realization of freedom 1. You answer implies there is a fork with GPU acceleration and no one cares (or does not answer my post). Ah, "criticism is not harmful":

Name and same:

* Avamander

Re: Linux Mint drops Ubuntu Snap packages

#532

Post by Avamander »

sergeykish wrote: post #531
Avamander wrote: post #530

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Your words Without the rest of the context and no, criticism is not harmful. If it is a "sin" like you say, should we look at things you've said about FOSS projects? > Fork it, patch it, there is no burden Either you're delusional or you haven't done either of the things. > if people care maintainers would switch, if switched enough patch would get in upstream or provide own repository with patches, that's FOSS way…

So the answer is no, you will not pay. Question was not rhetorical - it is realization of freedom 1. You answer implies there is a fork with GPU acceleration and no one cares (or does not answer my post). Ah, "criticism is not harmful": Name and same: * Avamander

> So the answer is no, you will not pay.

No, I won't pay to devs that ignore conventions. That's like having someone take a s* on my porch and me paying them for not doing so. Plus, demanding payment is the thing not really in the spirit for FOSS.

> Ah, "criticism is not harmful":

That's just naming, without listing the reason. In addition to that, I listed projects, not people. Shows that you've totally missed the point of the original list.

Re: Linux Mint drops Ubuntu Snap packages

#533

Post by sergeykish »

Avamander wrote: post #532
sergeykish wrote: post #531

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So the answer is no, you will not pay. Question was not rhetorical - it is realization of freedom 1. You answer implies there is a fork with GPU acceleration and no one cares (or does not answer my post). Ah, "criticism is not harmful": Name and same: * Avamander

> So the answer is no, you will not pay. No, I won't pay to devs that ignore conventions. That's like having someone take a s * on my porch and me paying them for not doing so. Plus, demanding payment is the thing not really in the spirit for FOSS. > Ah, "criticism is not harmful": That's just naming, without listing the reason. In addition to that, I listed projects, not people. Shows that you've totally missed the…

This is not yours software, you are just allowed to use it, that's you who are taking other peoples software on your porch (and naming it s*). No one demands, ever heard of bounty, sponsorship? Do not want to support original developers - fine, 3rd party.

Out of principle I can implement XDG Base for ssh client. Just like my work - implementing features I am not that interested in, providing support. I hardly believe any reasonable man expects complains to work in that case. So how much would you pay?

Your account may be group of people (and may be not). Project may be group of people (and may be not). Shows that you've totally missed the point.

Re: Linux Mint drops Ubuntu Snap packages

#534

Post by pabs3 »

cyphar wrote: post #515
pabs3 wrote: post #406

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Unfortunately even micro releases of the Go compiler break ABI, so Go dynamic linking isn't feasible for distros to use: https://wiki.debian.org/StaticLinking#Go

There are two types of "static linking" being discussed: * Linking with system libraries (what GP mentioned). * Linking with Go packages (what you're talking about). Yes, Go doesn't really support -buildmode=shared anymore (and it was pretty broken from the outset). But this is a separate question to whether a Go binary is actually a static object. In most cases (and by default), Go binaries are dynamically linked to…

pjmlp's comment seemed to be about Go packages to me, not system libraries.

Re: Linux Mint drops Ubuntu Snap packages

#536

Post by cyphar »

pabs3 wrote: post #534
cyphar wrote: post #515

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are two types of "static linking" being discussed: * Linking with system libraries (what GP mentioned). * Linking with Go packages (what you're talking about). Yes, Go doesn't really support -buildmode=shared anymore (and it was pretty broken from the outset). But this is a separate question to whether a Go binary is actually a static object. In most cases (and by default), Go binaries are dynamically linked to…

pjmlp's comment seemed to be about Go packages to me, not system libraries.

The original comment[1] spoke about "statically linked binaries" which has a pretty specific meaning ("file" says its a static binary). There are similar issues for Debian packaging if you had a hypothetical language which required you to vendor your dependencies because maintenance for security issues would be annoying (Debian worked around this problem in Go through "de-vendoring" and Go modules -- in theory -- mostly solve this issue today). But static binaries are generally not distributed in distributions because they make make core library updates worse in terms of download size as well as inflating memory usage due to lack of page-cache sharing.

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23773480

Re: Linux Mint drops Ubuntu Snap packages

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Post by Avamander »

sergeykish wrote: post #533
Avamander wrote: post #532

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So the answer is no, you will not pay. No, I won't pay to devs that ignore conventions. That's like having someone take a s * on my porch and me paying them for not doing so. Plus, demanding payment is the thing not really in the spirit for FOSS. > Ah, "criticism is not harmful": That's just naming, without listing the reason. In addition to that, I listed projects, not people. Shows that you've totally missed the…

This is not yours software, you are just allowed to use it, that's you who are taking other peoples software on your porch (and naming it s*). No one demands, ever heard of bounty, sponsorship? Do not want to support original developers - fine, 3rd party. Out of principle I can implement XDG Base for ssh client. Just like my work - implementing features I am not that interested in, providing support. I hardly believe…

> This is not yours software, you are just allowed to use it,

Oh but keep in mind in some cases I'm not given a choice. If I could not use snap for example, I would not. But it was forced upon me. So I have every right to be annoyed at someone figuratively taking a shit on my porch.

Anyways this discussion has depleted itself, you have no good arguments protecting that nonstandard behaviour.

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