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Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered inside New York condo

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Re: Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered inside New York condo

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Post by ejanus »

filleduchaos wrote: post #102
adenozine wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay, to play devil's advocate for a moment. What is there to gain financially from killing him, if his previous business was gutted by regulatory changes? The killer was evidently belonging to a highly capable skillset, and I'm extrapolating that they very nearly got away with his body in tow, and nobody would've been the wiser. Could they not have kidnapped him and ransomed the company? If there's financial qualms…

Well, the idea is less financial gain and more punishment/retribution. You don't disappear/kill people in such a manner unless you want to send a message of some sort. It's possible that he might have taken an investment from someone that does not take failure/underdelivery as an answer. Or that Gokada's continued existence pissed off someone that intended the company to go under. It could also possibly be much more…

Please don't bad mouth Nigeria. This case is not yet fully understood and we can't make any conclusions yet.

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Post by rurp »

chaostheory wrote: post #317
konaraddi wrote: post #316

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sounds a bit extreme. Which ones are the “outside of developed countries” and how many of them require walking around in body armor everywhere?

This has been the norm growing up in the Philippines. We lived in a gilded fortress and we're not drug dealers. We learn about the dangers of being kidnapped before we enter grade school. I can go on, but it's not much different from life in many parts of South America, Africa, and South & South East Asia. You're not required to wear body armor, but seeing that there are armed guards posted outside of a KFC with body…

I happened to be next to a store in Central Mexico when an armored cash pickup truck showed up. It was a MUCH more intense scene than the pickups I've seen in the states. There were multiple guards in the parking lot, guns drawn, that looked very alert; they weren't just going through the motions.

Nothing happened and the stop was done in a couple minutes, but it reminded me of how different the daily lives of those guards must be from any job I've ever worked.

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Post by randycupertino »

chubot wrote: post #104

Uh wow, I never heard of this company or person, but this is horrible and tragic. However I just read "The Upstarts", the 2017 book about AirBNB and Uber. It specifically mentions that 2 rideshare leaders felt their lives were threatened by local competition. I believe it was the original founder of Seamless in NYC, and an early executive at Uber, I believe when they were launching in NYC. Apparently it's not uncommo…

Spent some time in Budapest for work and the local taxis are so dialed in with mafia & local politicians that Uber and Lyft are both banned there.

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Post by dragonsngoblins »

baddox wrote: post #336
josephcsible wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're less likely to get caught using a key than breaking a window.

It’s also just much easier. That’s why the owners use the key instead of breaking a window.

I agree it is easier to use a key, but the reason owners don't break windows is that is damaging.

The main reason a thief wouldn't want to is that is loud and suspicious looking, much more likely to be noticed. People seeing someone they don't know fucking around with smashing a window in town might call the cops, if they seem someone they don't know using a key they assume they were given it by the residents

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Post by awb »

awb wrote: post #253
flyingfences wrote: post #166

> The condos in the building are full-floor and the keyed elevator opens right into the apartment. Doesn't this mean that anybody with the [widely, publicly known] FDNY elevator override key can get right into the apartment? I've seen far too many physical pentesting talks (i.e. any at all) to trust a setup like that for my home in a city.

Doesn't seem to be the issue in this case: > One of the law enforcement officials said a surveillance camera had captured video of Mr. Saleh in the building’s elevator with another person who was wearing a black suit and black mask. On the video, the elevator door opens and Mr. Saleh goes into the apartment, the official said. The masked person follows directly behind him, and the two immediately start to struggle, t…

And from a recent update: https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-decapitate...

> The worried sister went to the apartment because she hadn’t seen her brother in a day, and arrived only to find his butchered body, cops said.

> The suspect bolted via a staircase as the sister rode the elevator upstairs to visit victim Fahim Saleh, with her impending arrival interrupting the killer’s efforts to scrub the bloody condo clean and dispose of the body, the source said.

> “He was dressed like a ninja, full out, so you can’t even see his face,” the source said. “He clearly knew what he was doing. We think his intent was to get rid of the body parts and go back and clean it up and make it look like nothing happened. He left before he finished the job.”

> The assassin stabbed him repeatedly in the chest to kill him, according to his autopsy results. He used a stun gun to incapacitate Saleh before murdering him, police sources said.

> A police source indicated investigators believed the grisly execution was prompted by a business deal gone lethally bad.

Re: Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered inside New York condo

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Post by ejanus »

opportune wrote: post #20

Probably too early to speculate on motives but it’s interesting to me that he was running a Nigerian tech company. Wonder if he stepped on the wrong person’s toes. It looks like authorities were trying to shut it down on some trumped up safety disputes (which likely means they were not giving out enough bribes)

Motorcycles kill thousands every year in Nigeria. It kills more than cars and buses combined. Such business has been banned virtually in all state capitals in Nigeria for about a decade ago. Lagos state was the only major state where such was functioning until lately.

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Post by konaraddi »

chaostheory wrote: post #317
konaraddi wrote: post #316

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sounds a bit extreme. Which ones are the “outside of developed countries” and how many of them require walking around in body armor everywhere?

This has been the norm growing up in the Philippines. We lived in a gilded fortress and we're not drug dealers. We learn about the dangers of being kidnapped before we enter grade school. I can go on, but it's not much different from life in many parts of South America, Africa, and South & South East Asia. You're not required to wear body armor, but seeing that there are armed guards posted outside of a KFC with body…

Hey I think you may have meant respond to another comment. In case you did mean to respond to the comment I put up: I totally agree that there are places that are "very different from the sheltered life of a developed country". I've been to India a few times and have seen a wide range of places in terms of both landscape and wealth.

The purpose of my previous comment is that, depending on how we define "developed" (which is very blurry! Think about the range of wealth within the US or India for example), it's not the case that you need to walk around with body armor everywhere in each country that's not "developed". The parent comment I responded to seemed to imply that "wear body armor and stay in window-less houses" == "life outside of developed countries".

See parent comments/thread for more context. If you see a mistake or if I misunderstood something, please feel free to point it out.

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Post by nihonde »

mtalantikite wrote: post #233
flyingfences wrote: post #166

> The condos in the building are full-floor and the keyed elevator opens right into the apartment. Doesn't this mean that anybody with the [widely, publicly known] FDNY elevator override key can get right into the apartment? I've seen far too many physical pentesting talks (i.e. any at all) to trust a setup like that for my home in a city.

Possibly. Though the apartments I’ve been in that have elevators that open directly into the unit here in NYC have had doormen at the front entrance. Generally if you’re rich enough for that sort of setup the building is rich enough for a doorman (I’m sure there are exceptions though).

That’s putting a lot of trust in the doorman. Having lived in doorman buildings in Manhattan for a long time, I definitely considered the building staff as much (or more) of a security risk as any outsiders.

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Post by dialamac »

mtalantikite wrote: post #233
flyingfences wrote: post #166

> The condos in the building are full-floor and the keyed elevator opens right into the apartment. Doesn't this mean that anybody with the [widely, publicly known] FDNY elevator override key can get right into the apartment? I've seen far too many physical pentesting talks (i.e. any at all) to trust a setup like that for my home in a city.

Possibly. Though the apartments I’ve been in that have elevators that open directly into the unit here in NYC have had doormen at the front entrance. Generally if you’re rich enough for that sort of setup the building is rich enough for a doorman (I’m sure there are exceptions though).

There’s plenty of newer “boutique” buildings in Manhattan/Brooklyn with the elevator direct to apartment without a doorman. It’s not necessarily more expensive to do it this way if you think about it. You don’t need a lobby or halls on each floor for one.

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Post by chaostheory »

konaraddi wrote: post #347
chaostheory wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has been the norm growing up in the Philippines. We lived in a gilded fortress and we're not drug dealers. We learn about the dangers of being kidnapped before we enter grade school. I can go on, but it's not much different from life in many parts of South America, Africa, and South & South East Asia. You're not required to wear body armor, but seeing that there are armed guards posted outside of a KFC with body…

Hey I think you may have meant respond to another comment. In case you did mean to respond to the comment I put up: I totally agree that there are places that are "very different from the sheltered life of a developed country". I've been to India a few times and have seen a wide range of places in terms of both landscape and wealth. The purpose of my previous comment is that, depending on how we define "developed" (w…

I meant to respond to you.

He’s kind of exaggerating, and but not totally. When I said that my family and friends lived in fortresses, it’s along those same lines. While the house is somewhat normal aside from the iron window gates (it was not windowless), the outer structure is not. The outer fence is a large tall concrete wall, with metal gates which are sometimes automatic. The top of the wall is lined with a combination of wire, metal spikes, and broken glass. Every household is fully armed. Some families even have security guards both onsite and as an escort. Some families have a perimeter of fences.

Even with all that, someone who worked for one of our family friends got his face blown off by simply answering the gate. It’s hard not to be paranoid if you ever live in one of those places. After moving to the US decades ago, one of the luxuries I really enjoyed was being able to walk in most places without the need for an armed escort or concealed firearms. Feeling relatively safe in a non-fortified home is also nice. I didn’t realize it was the norm in the developed world outside of movies

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